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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?
    But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:19 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.
    Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.

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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.

    Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things as I'm sure you know full well what I mean, but here you go. A combination of a few of those things (or all of them for FCs) is the full housing experience, which apartments are not. They are inferior by design. Period. If people enjoy their apartments, that's fine. But they are not full and true housing. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too. So no, I'm doing absolutely nothing with it.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:47 AM.
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  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things, but here you go. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too.
    You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough? Go ahead double the size of the apt. I can downgrade, and finally let my 6 month subs lapse without worrying about my homes getting demolished.
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough?
    You are being purposely obtuse. You know what I'm talking about, so let's end this charade. You know full well what I mean by more space. And basically everything else I've said. You just don't want to hear it.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 09:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    You are being purposely obtuse. You know what I'm talking about, so let's end this charade. You know full well what I mean by more space. And basically everything else I've said. You just don't want to hear it.
    I'm inclined to agree with the person you're arguing with. Apartments can easily be turned into two floors and comes with gardening. The only thing separating it is item limit and that's something I agree with being increased. But, apartments really aren't as bareboned as people want to make them out to be. Plus, comes with the benefit of not needing to be tied to a sub to keep it. Housing on its own is predatory, I personally wish they'd just improve apartments and make them upgradable. I'd never go for an actual house again if that became a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    I'm inclined to agree with the person you're arguing with. Apartments can easily be turned into two floors and comes with gardening. The only thing separating it is item limit and that's something I agree with being increased. But, apartments really aren't as bareboned as people want to make them out to be. Plus, comes with the benefit of not needing to be tied to a sub to keep it. Housing on its own is predatory, I personally wish they'd just improve apartments and make them upgradable. I'd never go for an actual house again if that became a reality.
    Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.
    Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.

    Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

    Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

    Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.
    I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

    Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

    Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.
    Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-22-2022 at 10:29 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.



    Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.
    Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

    But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

    Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.
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