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    Quote Originally Posted by gioroggia View Post
    Yeah. You get high heal numbers with WHM without even trying. It just happens.

    And Summoner... Well, it's not that other jobs can never match Summoner's damage in Frontlines. Dragoon and Black Mage, for instance, can do just as well. But with them it takes good judgment, skills, and precision to pull that off. Summoners can do it with very, very low effort. If a job makes mediocre or even bad players perform just as well or better than very good players on other jobs, there is a balance issue there. And that works not only at the individual level (ie bumping the performance of an individual player) but also affects the entire match more systematically if the number of summoners is very different across the three teams or one team has summoner pre-mades.

    Scholar, on the other hand, can sometimes deal even more damage than summoners. But since 95% of it comes from a slow-damaging AOE dot, it just gets healed off and is not nearly as impactful as summoner. It would be a different matter entirely if the every job didn't have infinite instant heal capacity (recuperate + potion). But as it is, the AOE dot doesn't really "wear out" the enemy team as it's supposed to. People heal off and when MP gets slow they just pot it back.
    I wouldn't underestimate SCH's dmg, they can easily score a BH5 without really trying, and if you have a few SCHs with BH5 stacking DoTs you can easily do over 10k per tick of dmg, it's not something that is easily ignored. I've been the victim of ~14k dmg per tick from SCH dots, if you're unable to pot (Ongoing fight), it's a death sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naphtha View Post
    I wouldn't underestimate SCH's dmg, they can easily score a BH5 without really trying, and if you have a few SCHs with BH5 stacking DoTs you can easily do over 10k per tick of dmg, it's not something that is easily ignored. I've been the victim of ~14k dmg per tick from SCH dots, if you're unable to pot (Ongoing fight), it's a death sentence.
    Yeah stacking dot changes things a little since it makes each tick actually somewhat threatening and help take down players who are not very attentive, or at least force them to retreat which in turn gives your team numerical advantage. But 4 scholars stacking coordinated dots is still not nearly as impactful as 4 summoners stacking their LBs. Not to mention other matters that make that type of coordination harder with scholar - it's more difficult to coordinate the dot cast than bahamuts, and it's quicker and easier to reach bh5 with summoner since scholars get few kills and rely mostly on assists. Point being, it's not like scholars are useless, just that the damage numbers we see at the table at the end of the match do not reflect their actual impact on the game. If we go solely bu that, we end up vastly overestimating them. On a side note, I just wish using deployment tactics on buffed party members (or yourself when buffed) would extend the buff to alliance members as well. Because party members don't really tend to stock together, that decreases the utility of adloquium + deployment compared to CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gioroggia View Post
    Yeah stacking dot changes things a little since it makes each tick actually somewhat threatening and help take down players who are not very attentive, or at least force them to retreat which in turn gives your team numerical advantage. But 4 scholars stacking coordinated dots is still not nearly as impactful as 4 summoners stacking their LBs. Not to mention other matters that make that type of coordination harder with scholar - it's more difficult to coordinate the dot cast than bahamuts, and it's quicker and easier to reach bh5 with summoner since scholars get few kills and rely mostly on assists. Point being, it's not like scholars are useless, just that the damage numbers we see at the table at the end of the match do not reflect their actual impact on the game. If we go solely bu that, we end up vastly overestimating them. On a side note, I just wish using deployment tactics on buffed party members (or yourself when buffed) would extend the buff to alliance members as well. Because party members don't really tend to stock together, that decreases the utility of adloquium + deployment compared to CC.
    Yeah, I mean there's a reason why I made SMNs the target of my video, no stack even comes close to the raw potential of a SMN stack, which could easily wipe a big chunk of an alliance in an instant with only 4 or even just 3 SMNs working in tandem, which is nothing when each alliance has 24 people.

    I wasn't trying to fluff up SCH too hard, it's just being slept on IMO considering how funny it can be to watch someone's HP bar slowly melt away while they struggle to pot it back up (Assuming they ran out of MP to recoup).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naphtha View Post
    Yeah, I mean there's a reason why I made SMNs the target of my video, no stack even comes close to the raw potential of a SMN stack, which could easily wipe a big chunk of an alliance in an instant with only 4 or even just 3 SMNs working in tandem, which is nothing when each alliance has 24 people.

    I wasn't trying to fluff up SCH too hard, it's just being slept on IMO considering how funny it can be to watch someone's HP bar slowly melt away while they struggle to pot it back up (Assuming they ran out of MP to recoup).
    Lol and I love when I get an unexpected kill from someone who escaped my team only to die to my dot
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