The absolute state of Frontlines

[Naphtha]

Thread got hijacked by Summoners and Summoner-apologists, kek.

[CapaxInfiniti]

Thread got hijacked by Summoners and Summoner-apologists, kek.

"My broken job is fine. Please don't nerf my broken job because I enjoy being broken"
Thats basically summoners right now.

[SonjaRampage]

Waah waah I can't survive 5 people limit breaking me all at the same time.

[Mistress_Irika]

I'm very tempted to see how a PLD-SAM duo would hold up against a bunch of SMNs

[Divinemights]

I have something better, duo Monks wiped a bunch of SMNs

[Naphtha]

I'm very tempted to see how a PLD-SAM duo would hold up against a bunch of SMNs

Would the debuff from that counter skill (cba with SAM skillnames) still show up if you hit one who is Covered? If so, that's a pretty good idea.

[Gserpent]

WHM pops off a powerful regen in a huge AOE every time they ult. It's a lot like SCHs that just sit in the back and do nothing but spread dots. It's stats padding.

[Odessium]

I've been playing FL on and off since Heavensward. I started playing mostly on Mana DC back in 2020 because I was tired of the kindergarten that is EU FL. I've played around 4200 matches on Mana and I know how they play. Since 6.1 FL on Mana has been absolutely atrocious. If you think JP players aren't abusing SMN and WHM, you're delusional. Let me tell you that every game consists of atleast 20-30 SMN and 20-30 WHM. I'm not even joking.
The only time there is some sort of normality is when I queue up with the PvP veterans because they at least mix it up somewhat, be ready to get absolutely destroyed by DRK and AST.

[Naphtha]

I've been playing FL on and off since Heavensward. I started playing mostly on Mana DC back in 2020 because I was tired of the kindergarten that is EU FL. I've played around 4200 matches on Mana and I know how they play. Since 6.1 FL on Mana has been absolutely atrocious. If you think JP players aren't abusing SMN and WHM, you're delusional. Let me tell you that every game consists of atleast 20-30 SMN and 20-30 WHM. I'm not even joking.
The only time there is some sort of normality is when I queue up with the PvP veterans because they at least mix it up somewhat, be ready to get absolutely destroyed by DRK and AST.

Honestly I don't think anybody who took more than 5 seconds to give it some thought believed the posts about "JP players don't have any issues with SMN due to superior skill" or whatever illogical claim.

In fact, if the JP servers have better players, I'd expect your post to be true, as abusing SMN LB stacking is probably the easiest way to win FLs consistently, without a single BH, I believe (Forgot the exact potency so can't check whether or not it'd work) that it takes only 4 Megaflares to kill 49,500 hp jobs, which is honestly pretty silly considering the size of the AoE.

Mad respect for AST players in FL though, shit is actually really entertaining to play and I don't even like playing healers.

[Naphtha]

without a single BH, I believe (Forgot the exact potency so can't check whether or not it'd work) that it takes only 4 Megaflares to kill 49,500 hp jobs, which is honestly pretty silly considering the size of the AoE.

I'm no longer too lazy to check, and for the sake of clarity, I will be showing the 'math' I use to see how many of one skill you need at a time to 'instagib' and what kind of BH you need. My sub is no longer running, so my knowledge of HP values per job type is a little blurry, but I don't recall any non-melee job having more than 54k hp with more than 20% DR.

Megaflare base potency = 18,000
18,000 x 0.8 = 14,400 (20% DR for non-melee jobs)
14,400 x 4 = 57,600 dmg, which is enough to kill any non-melee/tank job from full HP using FOUR summoners with no BH whatsoever.

Now, the obvious question would be, what's the minimum BH requirement you need in order to make it so 3 Megaflares are enough for an instagib?
14,400 x 1.2 (BH2) = 17,280 x 3 = 51,840 dmg. Enough to kill SOME jobs, but not quite enough, so that means you need a bare minimum of 3 BH3s in order to reduce the SMN count by 1 and still retain the same one-shot potential.
Of course, one SMN with a BH5 and two with varying BH levels could also work, it'd just take a while to list all the viable combinations.

And before anyone asks, I'm basing this off of my experience from figuring out MCH's LB limitations, I don't believe this is wrong, as it seemed to be dead accurate so far, but who knows? Maybe there's something off about it. Also, this is purely educational, I have never done SMN stacking and never will, I find it extremely cringe, personally.