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  1. #1
    Player
    Solowing's Avatar
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    Roll Ryuko
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    Excalibur
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    To be fair, a lot of homeowners in this game have 0 self awareness and will actually enter a conversation where people are ranting and upset just to be like "I don't care about this new system because I won back when it was easy" or spend all day dancing in front of their placard while losers come to collect their Gil. I think most people know that they can be banned for saying mean things to each other up front, but the housing system gives them a kind of outlet to be dicks so they just use it. Even before this system, you'd get a new ward opening and people would relocate a dozen times just to screw with other players. A lot of people in this game literally just get a home so they can lord it over people who were unlucky. I've been sort of observing the housing community for a while and some of the stuff I've seen makes other more toxic game communities look like a kindergarten park. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped into a room full of sad/bitter people just to say "Well I won today, haha!" and leave.
    Do you rememeber the community asking for the housing lottery? It was pretty vocal, but i guess some thought that would win them a house only to get reality checked, now where getting a plot is no longer up to the player input but RNGesus.
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    sandislandexpansev2.carrd.co <<Create. No limits.>>

    he's going to grift,harass, downplay, disenfranchise, gaslight, stalk,and gate keep!

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    PaalHenrik's Avatar
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    Sophisticated Beggar
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    Sagittarius
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Would you want to admit to winning a plot in this current environment? I sure wouldn't.
    Why is that? I won a plot last round. It's not something to be ashamed of.
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    playing other games like yoshida intended
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Brygd View Post
    Unless you need the gil, I do not recommend stopping use of the lottery system. For every lottery entry, SE has another data point that their current housing supply is inadequate. If there are members of the dev team advocating for more resources for housing, every extra entry is another point to tell the decision makers that there is interest and player demand for housing.

    I too am a 0 and 3 lottery player and not loving it. That said, as long as there are mediums I can bid on, I will.
    If they really needed the lottery system to notice that then theres no hope lmao.
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    UkcsAlias's Avatar
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    Aergrael Iyrnrael
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    Ragnarok
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    If they really needed the lottery system to notice that then theres no hope lmao.
    To a certain degree it gives information about how many players are dedicated. This can give information on how far they need to scale up and plan accordingly (or maybe even adjust the system to some degree). This information is not needed for knowing that the demand is high, its more about knowing how high it is. Sometimes things stabilize over time (instead of 2000 bids per cycle, it might drop to just 500)

    And lets for example say they would implement the following: Each time you bid, but fail, the next bid gets another effective bid applied. bidding 10x consecutive for that gives you 10 bidding tokens (and lets say this is the cap to give new players a way to get equal relatively quick). Directly there is nothing changed here since 100 people would then take 1000 tokens and still only have a 1% chance. However, for the occasional bidder, they would be at 0.1% making it far less likely to take the house away from the 100 more dedicated players. And especialy when a new ward gets added, those 10 tokens suddenly will add a lot of value when bidding there. (note, you only still pay same price, extra tokens dont cost anything extra, they are just used for boosting your chances).

    Thats why knowing such information can help. It can aid SE into designing a system in which dedication gets rewarded while still keeping it fair towards newer players by giving them fair chances as well. And even more important, lets say that they somehow manage to suddenly have plenty of houses available giving most players a house, such system could also help afterward, since some people will always be unlucky.

    Dont underestimate the power of information.
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    Wolfenrir's Avatar
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    Wolfenrir Bellveil
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Well you're in for a treat,they've been half assing it for years now, unfortunately i don't see them changing it.

    Also can't wait for people to call your insatisfaction "baby rage" and call you entitled because you don't care about how housing started for FCs only.
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    ballprince's Avatar
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    Whitemask Varre
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfenrir View Post
    Well you're in for a treat,they've been half assing it for years now, unfortunately i don't see them changing it.

    Also can't wait for people to call your insatisfaction "baby rage" and call you entitled because you don't care about how housing started for FCs only.
    oh yeah i am fully expecting it and going to ignore it. Like, sure, I get it started that way. But so did a lot of other things they used to do and now don't do!

    But I completely agree, I don't see them changing much.

    (EDIT, meant to reply, still new to using the forums at all.)
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    Dustytome's Avatar
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    Fox Briarthorn
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ballprince View Post
    It feels like, to me, the lottery is just worse off. Sure, I really appreciate not having to sit and click a plaque for hours, but this isn't much better if you ask me!
    This was never meant to fix the major issue (supply), just alleviate carpal tunnel and auto-clickers. I would keep trying, but temper your expectations of winning. Good luck if you do give it another go!
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    atikabubu's Avatar
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    Nagato Senkan
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    Spriggan
    Main Class
    Blacksmith Lv 90
    I lost both my bids to people who just made meme RP houses to spite people.
    Did they win fair and square? Yes.
    Should they be forced to permanently run Praetorium for 8 hours a day until 7.0? Also yes
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  10. #10
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    Themarvin's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Sojitora Iga
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    Someone gotta win it... if you look at how people camped houses before lottery it would easy count 30+ people over the 1-3 days it will take before someone can bot their way to success.

    So it is no different than camping, also the bile here is more about that most of the wards currently is set for FC only to grab, it will change after some lottery cycles to free for all.
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