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Thread: Red Mage Focus

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    Red Mage Focus

    I think it would be cool if in the glamour dresser we could put other rapiers in the offhand slot to change the look of the focus ... some of them look really goofy. I don't know how much work would be required to unlink them like that though.

    Perhaps a way to hide them entirely would be nice too.
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    Ninjas have asked for something similar, like if they could glamor different knives in each hand.

    I don't disagree that this would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a coding limitation that prevents this, not to mention clipping issues when you go to cast spells and the focus connects to the top of the sword (though in all fairness, this might not be a problem at all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Ninjas have asked for something similar, like if they could glamor different knives in each hand.

    I don't disagree that this would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a coding limitation that prevents this,
    But on the other hand, if they could implement this, then they could also unify all the PLD swords and shields into sword+shield items, and we would no longer need to make special cases at the token vendors for PLD weapons just so PLDs can mix their swords and shields, because really glamour is the only reason swords and shields are still separate.

    Such an addition to the system would benefit RDM, NIN, DNC, PLD, MNK, and any other future job that dual wields or has a two-part weapon. It might even potentially benefit WHMs and BLMs who want to glamour wands and scepters.

    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    not to mention clipping issues when you go to cast spells and the focus connects to the top of the sword (though in all fairness, this might not be a problem at all)
    This is probably not too big an issue, as the area around where they join is usually free of obstructions. There may be a few specific combinations that intersect but I'd prefer to be able to mix them with a few bad combinations than not to be able to mix them at all.
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    I feel that while the OP's suggestion is nice, is really unlikely to happen if the RDM weapon and "offhand" are actually the same item model. They would need to retroactive get back separating every weapon into 2 different items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I feel that while the OP's suggestion is nice, is really unlikely to happen if the RDM weapon and "offhand" are actually the same item model. They would need to retroactive get back separating every weapon into 2 different items.
    They are very clearly not the same model. The differences in character sizes and animation ranges would not work with a single model.
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    They're not the same model, it's feasible with the current technology they have.
    Will they do it? Only when there's literally nothing else to do, it would be such a low priority you're like to not see it for years if ever unless there's an explosion of demand OR the devs initiate it on their own.
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    This seems like a completely reasonable ask for glamour improvement, hence it must be technically impossible for reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    They are very clearly not the same model. The differences in character sizes and animation ranges would not work with a single model.
    I'm not seeing the connection there. If "rapier and focus are a single model" for a single character to equip, that is unrelated to different characters needing different sizes of the rapier-and-focus model.

    I don't know the technicalities myself, but with how rigid item categories are in this game, I would be surprised if a primary arm is able to be placed in the secondary arm slot at all. Otherwise it should have been an obvious thing for ninja, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm not seeing the connection there. If "rapier and focus are a single model" for a single character to equip, that is unrelated to different characters needing different sizes of the rapier-and-focus model.
    Not the scaling of the rapier, but the relative position of the rapier and focus in animations of characters whose arms, torsos, and hips are not the same proportions. Differences in relative ranges of motion due to character size differences can't easily be handled with a single rapier+focus model.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 06-11-2022 at 11:52 AM.
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