"Lack of content"... Minor housing rant

[Ket-Xil]

Housing is a shackle.

If you choose to engage in it, yes. you are right.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

countered with 'gO fInD aNoThEr MmO' as if that wasn't the exact sort of strange gatekeeping th---

Ok Hold On....
How is it GateKeeping to suggest FFXIV might not be the game for you, and you should seek a new MMO that might better fit what you want? Especially if you are unhappy with and complaining about FFXIV not being what you want? Thats a very sensible thing to do, Im confused how that is GateKeeping.

Ill guess you tried to Reference WoW....people left that game because it wasnt what they wanted and got tiered....Did you not do the same thing and came here to FFXIV? And you've said you've been looking for a New MMO to jump Ship to, but now you say that attitude is gatekeeping?
Sorry man, I might have gotten some of that wrong, but the Whole Gatekeeping thing didnt make sense.

[Theodric]

Ok Hold On....
How is it GateKeeping to suggest FFXIV might not be the game for you, and you should seek a new MMO that might better fit what you want? Especially if you are unhappy with and complaining about FFXIV not being what you want? Thats a very sensible thing to do, Im confused how that is GateKeeping.

Ill guess you tried to Reference WoW....people left that game because it wasnt what they wanted and got tiered....Did you not do the same thing and came here to FFXIV? And you've said you've been looking for a New MMO to jump Ship to, but now you say that attitude is gatekeeping?
Sorry man, I might have gotten some of that wrong, but the Whole Gatekeeping thing didnt make sense.

It's gatekeeping in the sense of it being a common tactic to try and deflect and downplay criticism. It assumes that people hate the game and I believe it has been pointed out by a number of posters across numerous threads that just because someone speaks up against one or some elements of the game then that hardly means they're eager to up and leave.

In short, many of the complaints come from people who care about the game and want to see it improve. Whereas, from what I've seen, a lot of the people trying to stifle criticism will seek to either maintain the status quo at all costs or they're so easily pleased that even blatant issues such as the Hrothgar hairstyle situation will not ruffle their feathers in the slightest.

Or they mistake their own lack of caring for a particular aspect of the game as the default stance everybody should take.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's gatekeeping in the sense of it being a common tactic to try and deflect and downplay criticism. It assumes that people hate the game and I believe it has been pointed out by a number of posters across numerous threads that just because someone speaks up against one or some elements of the game then that hardly means they're eager to up and leave.

In short, many of the complaints come from people who care about the game and want to see it improve. Whereas, from what I've seen, a lot of the people trying to stifle criticism will seek to either maintain the status quo at all costs or they're so easily pleased that even blatant issues such as the Hrothgar hairstyle situation will not ruffle their feathers in the slightest.

Or they mistake their own lack of caring for a particular aspect of the game as the default stance everybody should take.

Its not Deflecting or Downplaying Criticism by any stretch of the imagination to suggest X game might not be for you. You are still able to voice concerns despite anybody elses thoughts. One side can have theirs, and the other side can have theirs. Both Sides are Valid.
Ill never understand why one side is able to criticize and tell people its ok to Criticize and voice their opinion, but then tell the other side they aren't allowed to have one for not agreeing with you, and act like them not agreeing with you is an attempt at silencing you. It just...makes no sense.

Whats wrong with people being happy? Its funny how even threads that are positive of the game get met with Venom of "How dare you be happy, the game has all these problems"
or insert how I dont like this. Then just sit here and call people Shills, cult members and stuff for enjoying the game and not having the same complaints.
There are people out there who can find joy in things despite issues, or literally said issue doesn't effect them....why not just let them have it? Its an issue for you, voice it...but dont sit there and get all upset because someone else doesn't have the same issue.

[Rilifane]

Its not Deflecting or Downplaying Criticism by any stretch of the imagination to suggest X game might not be for you. You are still able to voice concerns despite anybody elses thoughts. One side can have theirs, and the other side can have theirs. Both Sides are Valid.
Ill never understand why one side is able to criticize and tell people its ok to Criticize and voice their opinion, but then tell the other side they aren't allowed to have one for not agreeing with you, and act like them not agreeing with you is an attempt at silencing you. It just...makes no sense.

Whats wrong with people being happy? Its funny how even threads that are positive of the game get met with Venom of "How dare you be happy, the game has all these problems"
or insert how I dont like this. Then just sit here and call people Shills, cult members and stuff for enjoying the game and not having the same complaints.
There are people out there who can find joy in things despite issues, or literally said issue doesn't effect them....why not just let them have it? Its an issue for you, voice it...but dont sit there and get all upset because someone else doesn't have the same issue.

Everyone is allowed to be happy or unhappy with something.

But let's take housing as an example: some people are happy with housing as it is. Maybe they have a house so they don't care if someone else that really wants one can't get one. Maybe they simply don't care about housing at all and never engaged with that content in any way. So what would change for them that they should be against improving housing to make it more accessible for more players? Nobody rips their house from their fingers if they already have one. Nobody forces them to engage with it if they don't care about it. "But then my lively neighbourhood would die and be completely barren" is something that sometimes pop up but many people say they like they neighbourhoods. Maybe they'd even have a livelier one because the people who don't care for it have an instanced house and only the people who do have one in the wards?
What would change is make more players who want to have one happy.

Or let's take healers: some people don't want to dps and it doesn't matter if it means that in some fights they'll be very busy doing... well, nothing. They don't want to dps, they don't do it and are happy not doing it. Some people heal in a way that they end up spending a lot of time healing or overhealing. They are happy as it is. Neither of these two really engage with their dps kit.
So what would change for their gameplay if healers got more downtime options? They apparently don't even have said downtime so it could be a button that paints the floor in rainbow colours and does nothing else for all they care because they do not use it now and would not use it then. The people healing me with Cure in wall to walls in EW dungeons won't engage with their dps kit, whether it's 1 or 10 buttons. And the fearmongering with "but if we had 4 instead of 2 buttons everyone would flame me because my dps sucks and kick me from parties and I couldn't even get my roulettes done" is nonsense when we already had a lot more downtime options in the past and people were more understanding instead of less and ToS still forbid harassment in any way.
But what would change is that healers who face a lot of downtime and 1 button spam could have more to do during the downtime they have now and will continue to have then.

The problem is not being happy, the problem is being happy and not wanting others to be happy when it wouldn't affect them negatively. And "but resources" can be used as an argument for absolutely everything and nothing would ever improve because the status quo then becomes too sacred to risk it and that is one of the major problems many people have: SE is making more money with FFXIV than ever so it can be expected that they use some of that to polish things that have been a problem for years.

[Kaurhz]

Oh, will this be more of the usual "I want to criticize the game, yet don't want to see my suggestions be open to the same scrutiny myself." ghetto?

Whether people like it or not the game direction and philosophy have changed, and if the apparent overall job design trend isn't an indication that they don't really intend on taking another direction in the foreseeable future then I think the proposal of play other games and try other games is only really logical. Granted, I would say they are oft' presented in the most dismissive way possible. But it's just logical, and if some of the vitriolic comments either on this thread or on others is indicative to players' enthusiasm towards the community at a difference in opinion then I would also argue that it is a healthy proposal.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Everyone is allowed to be happy or unhappy with something.

B00M
All that Matters

Im not making any points that there isn't issues with the game, or anything silly like your not allowed to voice them.
Just that its silly to sit here and get upset and say your being silenced because anybody has a different opinion, or to call it Gatekeeping because somebody suggest the game might not be what your looking for.
Both sides are valid....conversation is fine....criticism is Fine. But crying foul because somebody doesnt agree with you is just childish.

Oh, will this be more of the usual "I want to criticize the game, yet don't want to see my suggestions be open to the same scrutiny myself." ghetto?

This nonsense here...Man its annoying lol.
Its pretty much what Im saying about one side saying its ok for them to have an opinion...but its not ok for the other side to have an opinion if it disagrees with them.

[Rilifane]

B00M
All that Matters

Im not making any points that there isn't issues with the game, or anything silly like your not allowed to voice them.
Just that its silly to sit here and get upset and say your being silenced because anybody has a different opinion, or to call it Gatekeeping because somebody suggest the game might not be what your looking for.
Both sides are valid....conversation is fine....criticism is Fine. But crying foul because somebody doesnt agree with you is just childish.



This nonsense here...Man its annoying lol.
Its pretty much what Im saying about one side saying its ok for them to have an opinion...but its not ok for the other side to have an opinion if it disagrees with them.

It's not the all that matters just because it's a captain obvious line, you completely missed the point it seems.

I completely agree with Theodric that "just play another game" that is so commonly used to deflect criticism is a poor attempt at silencing it. It's dismissive, it ignores every point the poster makes, it doesn't even try to see things from their perspective. It's just telling them to fuck off.
You can disguise everything as "just my opinion bro" by putting an "I think" before it. Doesn't make "just play something else" any less dismissive and ignorant. If someone is happy with something that is great. But telling unhappy people to fuck off is not. This isn't even disagreeing, you are perfectly capable to disagree with something without behaving like that. You can say that you're happy and why without telling others to just play a different game.
Surely that can't be such a difficult concept to grasp?

[Ket-Xil]

It's not the all that matters just because it's a captain obvious line, you completely missed the point it seems.

I completely agree with Theodric that "just play another game" that is so commonly used to deflect criticism is a poor attempt at silencing it. It's dismissive, it ignores every point the poster makes, it doesn't even try to see things from their perspective. It's just telling them to fuck off.
You can disguise everything as "just my opinion bro" by putting an "I think" before it. Doesn't make "just play something else" any less dismissive and ignorant. If someone is happy with something that is great. But telling unhappy people to fuck off is not. This isn't even disagreeing, you are perfectly capable to disagree with something without behaving like that. You can say that you're happy and why without telling others to just play a different game.
Surely that can't be such a difficult concept to grasp?

You are correct. But I think it's fair to say if people are expecting FFXIV to have constant task farming like Lost Ark, maybe they should play Lost Ark instead? Atleast for me, using the phrase "look for something else" means the core philosophy of the game doesn't agree with what the individual wants. Obviously one game can't be so perfect as to satisfy everyone, which is why other options exists. It isn't to dismiss the other opinion but provide the alternative if what I believe the game is doesn't align with what other people are expecting out of it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's not the all that matters just because it's a captain obvious line, you completely missed the point it seems.

You are correct, I completely ignored it and didnt address it, because it jumps over my point.

That both sides have an opinion no matter what. Voice them. If you feel the need to fight somebody because they dont agree with you, or you think you are being silenced and dismissed because somebody disagreed, I question how much you believe in what your saying that your gonna sit here and get upset and cry foul over it.
Nobody told anybody to F-Off, this is an over-reaction to people who feel their right to makes criticisms are being taken away...and I find it humorously sad.

I think it's fair to say if people are expecting FFXIV to have constant task farming like Lost Ark, maybe they should play Lost Ark instead? Atleast for me, using the phrase "look for something else" means the core philosophy of the game doesn't agree with what the individual wants. Obviously one game can't be so perfect as to satisfy everyone, which is why other options exists. It isn't to dismiss the other opinion but provide the alternative if what I believe the game is doesn't align with what other people are expecting out of it.

THANK - YOU
Its as simple as that. To call that Dismissive and say this is an attempt to silence...when all its saying is, there might be a better game to suit what you want and your looking for.