"Lack of content"... Minor housing rant

[Theodric]

Hey, so you got an objective measure for meaningful?

Why would it need to be 'objective'? Any given poster can only ever petition for something that they, personally, would like to see added to the game or changed. Sometimes other people will agree. Sometimes they won't. It just so happens that most put together individuals don't treat such commentary as if it were a dire attack against the very core of their being or something to be policed in a manner that would make Orwell blush.

That being said, I'd personally like to see more meaningful content that amounts to more than just a five or ten minute daily or weekly task. As someone with little urge to play multiple characters or go through the MSQ more than once I would instead prefer to see new expansions a little more front loaded with content along the lines of Relic Weapons, Deep Dungeons and Crystalline Conflict. I personally spend most of my time engaging in PvP these days simply on the basis that it's dynamic and fairly easy to jump right into.

[Ket-Xil]

I'll do you one better: Why should you care?

To you, people may be demanding stuff without be realistic, which, valid point, but why are you so invested in going this far? To troll? Because if so, Icemage, you're forgiven. On second thought, no you're not, stay put...

Really. Whatever "meaningful" may be really doesn't matter much does it? You're still telling people who are complaining about content to move elsewhere. When in reality there are different ways of addressing this.

As you said, there's a limited amount of things they can do, technical-wise. But let's take Eureka and Bozja. Why stop at locking them at their respective expansions when they have so much potential? Why not continue the stories that they clearly want to continue in older areas? Why not add stuff like menus and all that to previous instances to not only liven up old content but also keep them relevant? Or, hell, why not try doing something that can evolve with time across expansions without them being a done deal? Blue Mage exists, it's a good start. Surely there's better stuff than Fellowships, yes?

You're going around being too defensive of the dev team. Just relax, realize that there's no point in making another thread and, idk, use your neurons? I'm sure you're gifted with some if you have technological know-how like you claim? You can come up with answers like those just as easily. And if you don't like anything I said, come up with some yourself. It really isn't hard.

It's not about the current content itself but what people want the content to be. I'm reading the threads as people wanting something to constantly do everyday, and not about what the content actually is. Basically my interpretation is "we want an FPS in FFXIV". That isn't what FFXIV is as a game. It's always been optional sides with the only "required" content being msq. I agree with your point on Eureka especially because I really liked the story. But to continue would require man hours, software support, story support, assset support, etc. Nothing you add to a game stops being technical and will have an associated cost. Their focus should be first and foremost the main story because it is the basis the entire game revolves.

And I absolutely will defend the dev team not because of a specific love for them, but because I know how long a development cycle on products is because I'm an electrical design engineer. I work on projects with year long timelines on just 1 aspect of a system. It is incredibly unreasonable to expect a system as complex as a MMO can easily churn out enough new content for those who want something new.

I apologize for my first thread being one that has been reproducing like a rabbit. I see now how widespread it is and I shouldn't have added another. Not a real frequenter of the forums if my activity didn't already show. I simply started reading and wanted to remind people what the core philosophy of FFXIV is.

[Nizzi]

I'M GOING TO HAVE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN IF PEOPLE CRITICIZE THE GAME I BUILD MY IDENTITY AROUND NONONONONO YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME STOP STOP YOSHIDA IS MY FRIEND

[Ket-Xil]

Why would it need to be 'objective'? Any given poster can only ever petition for something that they, personally, would like to see added to the game or changed. Sometimes other people will agree. Sometimes they won't. It just so happens that most put together individuals don't treat such commentary as if it were a dire attack against the very core of their being or something to be policed in a manner that would make Orwell blush.

That being said, I'd personally like to see more meaningful content that amounts to more than just a five or ten minute daily or weekly task. As someone with little urge to play multiple characters or go through the MSQ more than once I would instead prefer to see new expansions a little more front loaded with content along the lines of Relic Weapons, Deep Dungeons and Crystalline Conflict. I personally spend most of my time engaging in PvP these days simply on the basis that it's dynamic and fairly easy to jump right into.

And that is absolutely fair, but my post was about FFXIV lacking content which by numbers, absolutely does not. The type of content also shouldn't be one that requires daily upkeep either.

Front loaded content is a fair request but I also believe that it physically can't be ready at the beginning of an expansion without a massive shift in the development priorities which I believe CBU3 believes should be the main story first and foremost.

The find another MMO remark was specifically for those who wanted FFXIV to be filled with tasks and chores you needed to log in daily to complete, which is what I saw a lot of comments on. Because if that were to happen, they cannot abide by their own stated goal of wanting people to play other games.

[Kolsykol]

What's worse is that I've seen those exact same words reguritated from other threads. Low effort will always be low effort.

How is this '' low effort '' and like 90% of the negative threads from the same people that read like an angry toddler wrote it not?
It's just funny how these comments come out about '' *sigh* another thread about this '' and '' low effort '' all of the sudden.

I'M GOING TO HAVE A MENTAL BREAKDOWN IF PEOPLE CRITICIZE THE GAME I BUILD MY IDENTITY AROUND NONONONONO YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME STOP STOP YOSHIDA IS MY FRIEND

If you're gonna be so insanely critical then don't whine when people criticize how you present that criticism and feedback.
I really don't think anyone has an actual problem with genuine feedback, the issue is how it's presented and how incredibly touchy and easily offended the same people are.
It's not too much to ask for that people behave like adults.

To act like '' it's just criticism and feedback bro '' is incredibly disingenuous.
I don't rly agree with the OP because I think a lot of this is just simply MMO problems, playing another MMO isn't rly going to be any different.
But at least the OP isn't being a toddler, but if this was another negative thread full of hyperbole etc none of you would complain about it somehow that's okay.

None of what the OP said indicates that they're being overly emotional or are having a '' mental breakdown '' that's something I see from the people the OP are talking about all the time however.
Like I said for being so incredibly critical even the slightest pushback will send these people into a deep rage and severe case of victim mentality.

[Shibi]

So the game philosophy has always been to not shackle the player to the game.

Housing is a shackle.

[Kolsykol]

Housing is a shackle.

Okay Sylvanas.

Oh damn, are people gonna get mad I referenced WoW now ?

[Nizzi]

If you're gonna be so insanely critical then don't whine when people criticize how you present that criticism and feedback.

Erm okay is this like a general post that has nothing to do with mine or is this directed at me?

I really don't think anyone has an actual problem with genuine feedback, the issue is how it's presented and how incredibly touchy and easily offended the same people are.
It's not too much to ask for that people behave like adults.

Lmao yeah it's just always that you and yours are the arbiter of ""genuine feedback"" and it just so happens that the things that you don't like are never genuine feedback because reasons

To act like '' it's just criticism and feedback bro '' is incredibly disingenuous.

lol

but if this was another negative thread full of hyperbole etc none of you would complain about it somehow that's okay.

I simply do not enter threads I do not like, but I guess the adult behavior is to go into everything you do not like to defend a company that doesn't care about you and a product you are paying for from any criticism.

None of what the OP said indicates that they're being overly emotional or are having a '' mental breakdown '' that's something I see from the people the OP are talking about all the time however.

This thread is literally in response to Kizuya's thread, but yeah they definitely had 0 emotions thinking "hmm yes I need to make a thread telling people to touch grass, find another MMO" because reasons. Totally not an emotional decision at all or them losing their mind because people are criticizing their toy, they just happened to make this thread telling people to quit the game lol

Like I said for being so incredibly critical even the slightest pushback will send these people into a deep rage and severe case of victim mentality.

The irony of this and the pure projection of it is truly a marvelous sight.

[Ket-Xil]

This thread is literally in response to Kizuya's thread, but yeah they definitely had 0 emotions thinking "hmm yes I need to make a thread telling people to touch grass, find another MMO" because reasons. Totally not an emotional decision at all or them losing their mind because people are criticizing their toy, they just happened to make this thread telling people to quit the game lol

If you truly think that I was being emotional then sure I won't convince you otherwise. My literal second thread ever and already you can see it as emotionally losing my mind. I will concede to you that it does annoy me when people suggest instanced housing like it's something that can magically appear out of nowhere without any technical support backing it.

And it absolutely is a response to Kizuya's thread along with the many comments within. My reasons for telling people to find another MMO is because the philosophy of FFXIV doesn't fit with what they are looking for. Playing an MMO and wanting FPS. If you are looking at FFXIV for a shooter, then yes I would say you should quit the game.

Touch grass is funny.

Are you sure you're not getting emotional for your reply to a stranger on the internet to be full caps mocking?

[Ket-Xil]

To you, people may be demanding stuff without be realistic, which, valid point, but why are you so invested in going this far? To troll? Because if so, Icemage, you're forgiven. On second thought, no you're not, stay put...

I have no idea what investment you think I've made and what Icemage means.