Novice Ocean Fishing Guide by Caimie Tsukino

[Caimie_Tsukino]

You do not need snagging at all in Ocean Fishing.

Yeah, got that part fixed.

Also added some recent updates, such as alternative baits for Spectral Fish -- the baits in brackets below are also found to be able to catch Spectral Fish in the corresponding areas:

The Ciedalaes — Ragworm
Northern Strait of Merlthor — Ragworm (or Krill)
Southern Strait of Merlthor — Krill (or Plump)
Bloodbrine Sea — Krill (or Ragworm)
Galadion Bay — Plump Worm
Rhotano Sea — Plump Worm (or Ragworm)
Rothlyt Sound — Plump Worm

[Canadane]

From my understanding, almost all fish, including Spectral can be caught with any ocean bait, or the versatile lure.
There's just a preferred bait to each. The fish will take less time to bite if it's a bait it likes lol.

There's a few specific fish, usually high point value ones during spectral currents, and all the Fishers Intuition fish that can only be caught with a specific bait.

[Fruity_Snacks]

From my understanding, almost all fish, including Spectral can be caught with any ocean bait, or the versatile lure.
There's just a preferred bait to each. The fish will take less time to bite if it's a bait it likes lol.

There's a few specific fish, usually high point value ones during spectral currents, and all the Fishers Intuition fish that can only be caught with a specific bait.

This is correct!

[Tyonto]

Firstly these are my opinions/personal recommendations (except on Snagging), but backed up by extensive testing.

Lulu's Tools:
- It should be mentioned that the bite times on Lulu's Tools are Teamcraft times. It says so on the site, but what this means is important. Teamcraft's bite times are from packet capture, while most players if using a timer are using macros. There is an inherent discrepancy from when Teamcraft starts counting for its timer and when macros do.
- Lulu's Tools also has some erroneous data in its bite times. TC's pcap tool just messes up sometimes and ocean fishing has a lot of errors in its data.
- Filtering by bait (changing from "All baits" to a specific one) should be mentioned to get the most accurate bite time, if relying on Lulu's times. In the spectral current this isn't that necessary for high-value fish, but it is absolutely for the normal zone (outside the current) and low-point high-yield fish in currents. Doing this still does not provide a fully accurate picture.
- I can explain this more in depth or prove it if you want, but will not right now for brevity. You can click on the spreadsheet which Lulu's links at the top which has bait-specific bite times for all of the fish using macro timings to see the differences. I can also explain these if needed.

Bait to spawn a spectral current:
- Krill is the best bait for Galadion. Krill has a significantly reduced bite rate on Tarnished Sharks, which can have a >30s bite time. Plump Worm has a very high bite rate on them while having a 0.2% higher Spectral Megalodon bite rate than Krill. This means that Krill overall gets you more Casts for the Spectral fish and the difference in bite rate is so negligible that Krill ends up being better.
The only exception to this is if the weather is Showers, in which case Tarnished Sharks don't bite so use Plump Worm. Since Showers only occurs 5% of the time, Plump Worm is a worse baseline recommendation.

Snagging:
- Snagging categorically is not needed. It's something you either flat out need to have on to catch a fish or you don't; it doesn't do anything else but potentially add a fish to a catch pool or allow you to catch maps. You can tell that no fish in ocean fishing requires Snagging because in the Fishing Log they all say "Special Conditions: None." If a fish requires it, it will say "Special Conditions: Yes."
The Special Conditions flag is only for Snagging and for the final four fish needed for the Skybuilder's fishing rod.

Points:
- If the goal is 10k and we are assuming the audience is Lv 90, saying that the goal should be to spend all your GP on one fish is not the most efficient advice for each stop. In some it's detrimental.
-10k is easily achieved through use of TH/DH on low-point high-yield fish like Merman's Mane/Ghost Sharks, Titanshell Crab/Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta, Silencer, Oracular Crab, etc. This is "easier" than relying on high-point fish due to the difference in commonality. This is true even if the goal is 20k, provided there are multiple currents.

Pre-current strategy:
- I've mentioned this elsewhere and you've seen it but overall this is risky but stated here is viable. Recommending it for the first stop specifically is where it is most viable especially if the goal is 10k.
- Since P2 is recommended, the audience will be under Patience for a long time at least once. If recommending either version of Patience, that Spectral Butterfly/Sea Bo/Discus and Shooting Star/Ginkgo Fin are all Precision Hookset should be mentioned.

After current strategy:
- It's worth mentioning targeting fish for voyage missions rather than raw points unless in an extremely unfortunate scenario where it's not realistically possible to finish, but if prioritizing it throughout it's not difficult to finish all three pretty much every time.
- The normal zone is so low point that it is not worth investing GP for points until the end of the route, especially such a large amount. It's more worthwhile point-wise to target voyage mission fish if necessary/available, intuition trigger fish if not, afterwards. Investing so much GP will only be a net gain (and a marginal one) if there's no current at all, and finishing voyage missions will be a larger gain on average.

Best fish:
- This does not appear to factor in bite rates.
- Pretty much every bite time is inaccurate. I'm not going to detail them all but every blind TH/DH opportunity is off. The spreadsheet Lulu's links has the timings or I can explain them in more detail.
- Every high-value fish can be blind TH/DHed except for Aetheric Seadragon and Bartholomew the Chopper.

The Ciedalaes:
- Day: Devil's Sting is better than Callichthyid; it is higher raw point and has a higher bite rate. It can be as easily blind TH/DHed because of its bite time.
- In general: DH-IC-PC-TH is terrible to use here. Aiming for multiple TH/DHs makes this stop at least decent and potentially extremely good, on Meandering Mora/Devil's Sting depending on Time or on the low-point DHx4/THx7 fish. Titanshell Crab is the most viable low-point high-yield option (Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta are too, and whether you deviate from Titanshell should be based on your missions/how difficult it will be to finish them at subsequent stops and time left in the current). Titanshell/Jetborne/Mythril can all be blind TH/DHed. All of these can bite on any bait but have specific preferences.

Northern:
- Sunset: Coral Seadragon can be blind TH/DHed. It is better than The Fallen One unless using Patience in the current.

Bloodbrine:
- Night: Skaldminni is much lower point that Quartz Hammerhead, but Quartz is so extremely rare (~5% bite rate) that it might be worth going for if you are close to your point goal and is a safer baseline recommendation.

Galadion:
- Day: Casket Oyster and Nimble Dancer have no overlap. It is not worth DH-IC-PC-TH on Casket Oyster; if it bites first use GP on it then aim for multiple TH/DHs. If Nimble Dancer bites first, then DH-IC-PC-TH.

Southern:
- Day: Not worth DH-IC-PC-TH Mythril Sovereign from how low-point it is. Worth mentioning Great Grandmarlin and TH/DHing it if you can Mooch.
- Sunset: Don't necessarily have to DH-IC-PC-TH though you can. Sea Nettle is high-bite rate and so are Roguesaurus. Sea Nettle's relatively low point yield compared to other high-value fish makes it worth going for multiple TH/DH on either of the 2 fish here.
- Night: Makeshift Bait is highly useful. Aetheric Seadragon can bite from 3.5 - 6s and is more likely at 3.5 - 4s. It always overlaps with Shipwreck's Sail but if wanting to TH/DH then there is a time that is "safer."

Overall:
- The low-point high-yield fish aren't bad and are viable options, but shouldn't be DH-IC-PC-THed and should just be TH/DHed. It is good to recommend switching to spending GP on them at least 45-60s through a 2m current to have the GP go towards something that is still good but just not the best, and if you get good large-sized RNG can be comparable. Every x4DH/x7 TH low-point high-yield fish can be blind TH/DHed.
This allows you to potentially still spend GP on a high-value bite if it's late. Ultimately this does mean that the point ceiling is lowered when you do this, but when the goal is just 10k it's overall safer than waiting until the end and increasing odds of just spending GP on trash.
- The Ciedalaes is not a bad area; it is both good and very reliable if you don't use DH-IC-PC-TH. It is also a great stop to make huge progress towards voyage missions in, which is incredibly useful if your third mission is high-yield and the high-value fish in subsequent stops are not of the bite strength it's for.

Voyage Missions:
- All of the three ocean fishing baits can catch every fish in the normal zone except for the Fisher's Intuition fish. As it's phrased it sounds as if this is not the case.

For both the voyage mission highlights I mention and the low-point high yield fish, I detail them a lot in this guide: https://guides.ffxivteamcraft.com/gu...fishing-points
The voyage missions, in both the Voyage Mission section and in the guides for each route. For what I mean about the low-point high-yield fish being good/easy to target and worth considering especially if the goal is 10k, it's also highlighted in the stops for each route.
For a guide for novices I'm not suggesting you go into this much detail, but more linking it to express what I mean about how voyage missions can relatively easily be targeted, and the viability of the other fish.

[ICountFrom0]

So, I use the afore mentioned lulu's tools:

https://ffxiv.pf-n.co/ocean-fishing

Thing is, while I'm able to sort out a tiny bit of the stuff on there, I can't figure out how to do anything more complicated then just the most basic run.
I have no idea how to even LOOK for the runs that might give the achievements, much less actually do them.
I know this tool shows the rare fish that I've not yet collected, but I don't know how to do that with it.

I don't even know WHAT a teamcraft time IS, or why it matters.

Before having read your guide, I'm hoping at least some of this vast ignorance is filled in.

Course, you managed to get me to understand CRAFTING so... there's hope, maybe?


(reminds me, I need a macro to swap fishing and spear fishing back and forth)

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Firstly these are my opinions/personal recommendations (except on Snagging), but backed up by extensive testing.

Thank you for the extensive information! It's a lot to take in, so I'm gonna have to read and respond to it bit by bit.

Lulu's Tools:
- It should be mentioned that the bite times on Lulu's Tools are Teamcraft times. It says so on the site, but what this means is important. Teamcraft's bite times are from packet capture, while most players if using a timer are using macros. There is an inherent discrepancy from when Teamcraft starts counting for its timer and when macros do.
- Lulu's Tools also has some erroneous data in its bite times. TC's pcap tool just messes up sometimes and ocean fishing has a lot of errors in its data.
- Filtering by bait (changing from "All baits" to a specific one) should be mentioned to get the most accurate bite time, if relying on Lulu's times. In the spectral current this isn't that necessary for high-value fish, but it is absolutely for the normal zone (outside the current) and low-point high-yield fish in currents. Doing this still does not provide a fully accurate picture.
- I can explain this more in depth or prove it if you want, but will not right now for brevity. You can click on the spreadsheet which Lulu's links at the top which has bait-specific bite times for all of the fish using macro timings to see the differences. I can also explain these if needed.

Indeed the bite times are not totally accurate. But at least they provide good references. However, if we're to filter by baits to get the most accurate bite time, I think it'll drive most novice fishers crazy.

Bait to spawn a spectral current:
- Krill is the best bait for Galadion. Krill has a significantly reduced bite rate on Tarnished Sharks, which can have a >30s bite time. Plump Worm has a very high bite rate on them while having a 0.2% higher Spectral Megalodon bite rate than Krill. This means that Krill overall gets you more Casts for the Spectral fish and the difference in bite rate is so negligible that Krill ends up being better.
The only exception to this is if the weather is Showers, in which case Tarnished Sharks don't bite so use Plump Worm. Since Showers only occurs 5% of the time, Plump Worm is a worse baseline recommendation.

Thank you for your advice here. I shall try this out myself.

Snagging:
- Snagging categorically is not needed. It's something you either flat out need to have on to catch a fish or you don't; it doesn't do anything else but potentially add a fish to a catch pool or allow you to catch maps. You can tell that no fish in ocean fishing requires Snagging because in the Fishing Log they all say "Special Conditions: None." If a fish requires it, it will say "Special Conditions: Yes."
The Special Conditions flag is only for Snagging and for the final four fish needed for the Skybuilder's fishing rod.

Yes, I agree on this. Thanks.

Points:
- If the goal is 10k and we are assuming the audience is Lv 90, saying that the goal should be to spend all your GP on one fish is not the most efficient advice for each stop. In some it's detrimental.
-10k is easily achieved through use of TH/DH on low-point high-yield fish like Merman's Mane/Ghost Sharks, Titanshell Crab/Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta, Silencer, Oracular Crab, etc. This is "easier" than relying on high-point fish due to the difference in commonality. This is true even if the goal is 20k, provided there are multiple currents.

I think it's definitely worth mentioning about the advantages of using TH on crabs/fugu/sharks during Spectral as it is definitely great for fulfilling the mission objectives while getting a ton of points. However, it doesn't change the fact that landing on the 'best fish' with a combo will immediately get you 3K to 5K points, which is probably more than fulfilling a mission objective + the pts earned from the TH on crabs/fugu/sharks.

Pre-current strategy:
- I've mentioned this elsewhere and you've seen it but overall this is risky but stated here is viable. Recommending it for the first stop specifically is where it is most viable especially if the goal is 10k.
- Since P2 is recommended, the audience will be under Patience for a long time at least once. If recommending either version of Patience, that Spectral Butterfly/Sea Bo/Discus and Shooting Star/Ginkgo Fin are all Precision Hookset should be mentioned.

Wait, Precision Hookset for '!!!' Spectral fishes? I thought all '!!!' should use Powerful Hookset, and so far, that seems to work out quite well for me.

After current strategy:
- It's worth mentioning targeting fish for voyage missions rather than raw points unless in an extremely unfortunate scenario where it's not realistically possible to finish, but if prioritizing it throughout it's not difficult to finish all three pretty much every time.
- The normal zone is so low point that it is not worth investing GP for points until the end of the route, especially such a large amount. It's more worthwhile point-wise to target voyage mission fish if necessary/available, intuition trigger fish if not, afterwards. Investing so much GP will only be a net gain (and a marginal one) if there's no current at all, and finishing voyage missions will be a larger gain on average.

I think the best fishers will very quickly integrate information, and determine a way to get the mission objectives done. It really comes down to how many fishes they're asking for the objectives. If it's a lot, spending GP on Spectral fish for the mission is probably a good thing to do. However, this is not always. This sort of judgements come from experience, and I think for a novice fish, this is not something that can easily grasp on. So I think it's probably easier to get people start with focusing on high point fishes during Spectral.[/QUOTE]

Best fish:
- This does not appear to factor in bite rates.
- Pretty much every bite time is inaccurate. I'm not going to detail them all but every blind TH/DH opportunity is off. The spreadsheet Lulu's links has the timings or I can explain them in more detail.
- Every high-value fish can be blind TH/DHed except for Aetheric Seadragon and Bartholomew the Chopper.

Yes, they are inaccurate, but it's ok.

The Ciedalaes:
- Day: Devil's Sting is better than Callichthyid; it is higher raw point and has a higher bite rate. It can be as easily blind TH/DHed because of its bite time.
- In general: DH-IC-PC-TH is terrible to use here. Aiming for multiple TH/DHs makes this stop at least decent and potentially extremely good, on Meandering Mora/Devil's Sting depending on Time or on the low-point DHx4/THx7 fish. Titanshell Crab is the most viable low-point high-yield option (Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta are too, and whether you deviate from Titanshell should be based on your missions/how difficult it will be to finish them at subsequent stops and time left in the current). Titanshell/Jetborne/Mythril can all be blind TH/DHed. All of these can bite on any bait but have specific preferences.

Doesn't Devil's Sting has similar preferred bait of Krill, same '!!', and similar bite time as Titanshell Crab, Mistbeard's Cup & Flaming Eel? I though it'd be rather hard to distinguish it from the rest.
Meanwhile, Callichthyid & Jetborne Manta are both Plump Worm and '!!!', which can be easily distinguished from the rest, and both are ok to spend GP on. For a novice fisher, these '!!!' fishes would be a easier choice than trying to catch Devil's Sting, right?

[Tyonto]

First thanks for taking it into consideration. I hope I don't come across as hostile/rude; I'm just person-who-collects-a-lot-of-ocean-fishing data and is passionate about it and teaching people that it is not as difficult to do well in it as it seems. So I appreciate you creating something to help people who are new.

Indeed the bite times are not totally accurate. But at least they provide good references. However, if we're to filter by baits to get the most accurate bite time, I think it'll drive most novice fishers crazy.

I would agree with this in terms of telling people they have to do it. The point I'm trying to make is simply to mention it because as the bite times display it is providing a flat-out wrong picture in most circumstances, making things seem harder and more unapproachable than they are.
The non-ocean fishing baits which are usable and Versatile Lure create longer bite times. To my knowledge Lulu's does not include Versatile timings in the "All bait" data but does include the non-ocean fishing bait which is usable in the spectral currents.
An example of what I mean: "All baits" displays Titanshell Crab/Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta with a 2-6s bite time. If you filter the baits individually you see 2s for Ragworm/Krill/Plump Worm and the only time you see the 3-6s bite times are on Versatile/Squid Strip.
Squid Strip is only relevant when fishing for Hafgufa, which is likely beyond the scope of a novice fisher trying to score and not at all in the scope of the guide. If going to continue to use Lulu's timings, accounting for every discrepancy like this is overwhelming, I agree, but I believe it is good to at least state since by default the site creates the illusion of bite times and overlaps that cannot exist when actually following the bait the guide itself says to use. Basically a "these are the times you see on the site but if you want a more accurate picture, you can do this."

I think it's definitely worth mentioning about the advantages of using TH on crabs/fugu/sharks during Spectral as it is definitely great for fulfilling the mission objectives while getting a ton of points. However, it doesn't change the fact that landing on the 'best fish' with a combo will immediately get you 3K to 5K points, which is probably more than fulfilling a mission objective + the pts earned from the TH on crabs/fugu/sharks.

In terms of raw points, yes. In terms of consistency and 10k practicality, no. But this ultimately boils down to: what is the point?
The intent appears to be "simplest way to get 10k" in which case, yes, what is stated is the simplest way in terms of player action. It is not the most reliable, nor is it the "easiest" from the standpoint of "how often can it be achieved" but it is "easiest" in terms of "effort the guide user needs to expend." So either is valid and the point appears to be to provide the simplest or second definition of easiest way to approach, which for a novice is sensible.

And again, this is assuming the goal is 10k. 20k still can be done without any high-value fish but also and just like 10k is more consistently done without complete reliance on them but would involve a more nuanced guide to actually get the detail across meaningfully.

Wait, Precision Hookset for '!!!' Spectral fishes? I thought all '!!!' should use Powerful Hookset, and so far, that seems to work out quite well for me.

Hookset use in ocean fishing is the same as in the overworld, which means it is based on the fish size. Just like in the overworld ! is Precision and !! is Powerful. !!! fish of green rarity of higher in ocean fishing are like big fish in that they can be either Hookset.
For Hooksets in general: A fish with an average size of <20im means the fish will confidently be Precision and an average size of >30m will confidently be Powerful. 20~30im is a bit of a grey area.

There are six ocean fishing fish in total which are Precision. The one I didn't mention above is Seafaring Toad, which is beyond the scope of this guide, but yes the five mentioned are also all Precision.
Here's some applied tests done:

The Spectral fish in general have a pretty high escape rate so even using the correct one they have a decently good chance of getting away but all of the above have average sizes in-line with being Precision Hookset fish as well.

Doesn't Devil's Sting has similar preferred bait of Krill, same '!!', and similar bite time as Titanshell Crab, Mistbeard's Cup & Flaming Eel? I though it'd be rather hard to distinguish it from the rest.
Meanwhile, Callichthyid & Jetborne Manta are both Plump Worm and '!!!', which can be easily distinguished from the rest, and both are ok to spend GP on. For a novice fisher, these '!!!' fishes would be a easier choice than trying to catch Devil's Sting, right?

Devil's Sting requires Krill, has a !! bite but bites much later than Titanshell Crab or Mistbeard's Cup. Flaming Eel is a !! bite whose bite time overlaps with it but it is not available when Devil's Sting is. Flaming Eel is Sunset, Devil's Sting is Day.
This table is showing accurate macro-based timings:

The blue highlights are what the fish is most likely to bite on (or the required one, not account for Versatile Lure), the green ones mean the fish can bite on that bait but they have lower bite rates.
On any ocean fishing bait: Titanshell Crab is an "instant" bite which displays as 2-3s, stopping exactly as your macro timer hits 3s and Mistbeard's Cup is 3-4s, but won't bite exactly when your macro hits 3s. Devil's Sting starts biting much, much later and does not overlap with them in any way.

The example with Titanshell and Mistbeard's Cup's timings is a good example for most of the low-point high-yield DHx4/THx7 fish and how they can be blind THed, but it might appear difficult (but in practice is not really). But, in text this difference is both difficult to explain properly and so is difficult for novices to grasp, so I would agree that trying to get this across in a guide aimed at novices is not worth going into detail on and keeping it to the easy one of Jetborne Manta is appropriate but it can bite using Krill too.
Devil's Sting bites so much later and has both a higher point value and better bite rate so I think this is worth mentioning. However, if going to continue to use Lulu's timings and/or not explaining theat at face value they don't express how they can be blind TH/DHed, the Callichthyid recommendation is the second version of "easier" stated above, so is sound if that is the approach being taken, but brought it up to highlight that Devil's Sting is flat-out better and also still very easy.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Northern:
- Sunset: Coral Seadragon can be blind TH/DHed. It is better than The Fallen One unless using Patience in the current.

Why would Fallen One be better if using Patience? Patience or Patience II would forbid us from doing safe TH in the combo, right?

Bloodbrine:
- Night: Skaldminni is much lower point that Quartz Hammerhead, but Quartz is so extremely rare (~5% bite rate) that it might be worth going for if you are close to your point goal and is a safer baseline recommendation.

That is good to know. I shall try this out myself soon. Thanks!

Galadion:
- Day: Casket Oyster and Nimble Dancer have no overlap. It is not worth DH-IC-PC-TH on Casket Oyster; if it bites first use GP on it then aim for multiple TH/DHs. If Nimble Dancer bites first, then DH-IC-PC-TH.

You're right that the two's bite time should be able to be distinguished. But Casket Oyster seems to be the 2nd best choice already if one cannot get a Nimble, right? On that sense, spending DH-IC-PC-TH on it isn't so bad.

Southern:
- Day: Not worth DH-IC-PC-TH Mythril Sovereign from how low-point it is. Worth mentioning Great Grandmarlin and TH/DHing it if you can Mooch.
- Sunset: Don't necessarily have to DH-IC-PC-TH though you can. Sea Nettle is high-bite rate and so are Roguesaurus. Sea Nettle's relatively low point yield compared to other high-value fish makes it worth going for multiple TH/DH on either of the 2 fish here.
- Night: Makeshift Bait is highly useful. Aetheric Seadragon can bite from 3.5 - 6s and is more likely at 3.5 - 4s. It always overlaps with Shipwreck's Sail but if wanting to TH/DH then there is a time that is "safer."

Day: Mythril Sovereign is the only good fish that can be caught without Mooching though. Great Grandmarlin is great, but since it requires Mooching, it would mean unable to do the 1650 GP combo. It'll be at most just a Hook (Hi-aetherlouse), Mooch, TH.
- Sunset: Sea Nettle is pretty high points though. If one can land a DH-IC-PC-TH combo on it. It'll be 1248 + 2184 = 3432... Roguesaurus is pretty easy to get, hence, I definitely agree on spending GP on it if one can't get Sea Nettle in time... Perhaps someone can just spend on the Roguesaurus without even thinking about Sea Nettle too.
- Night: Yes, indeed. It helps!

Overall:
- The low-point high-yield fish aren't bad and are viable options, but shouldn't be DH-IC-PC-THed and should just be TH/DHed. It is good to recommend switching to spending GP on them at least 45-60s through a 2m current to have the GP go towards something that is still good but just not the best, and if you get good large-sized RNG can be comparable. Every x4DH/x7 TH low-point high-yield fish can be blind TH/DHed.
This allows you to potentially still spend GP on a high-value bite if it's late. Ultimately this does mean that the point ceiling is lowered when you do this, but when the goal is just 10k it's overall safer than waiting until the end and increasing odds of just spending GP on trash.
- The Ciedalaes is not a bad area; it is both good and very reliable if you don't use DH-IC-PC-TH. It is also a great stop to make huge progress towards voyage missions in, which is incredibly useful if your third mission is high-yield and the high-value fish in subsequent stops are not of the bite strength it's for.

I do find Ciedalaes having some potentials at times (there were a few times I got about 3K from Ciedalaes alone), but it's definitely not something as straight forward as combo-ing on Funnel Sharks or Floating Saucers. It takes a bit more thoughts and juggling. It can be a great area to use TH on crabs and fugu as well during a Spectral, as those comes in "7". But overall, I think if we are teaching the novice fishers to use the "DH-IC-PC-TH" strategy, it is relatively inferior comparing to Bloodbrine, Rhotano, Rothlyt and Galadion. So labeling it as "bad" isn't wrong on that context.

Voyage Missions:
- All of the three ocean fishing baits can catch every fish in the normal zone except for the Fisher's Intuition fish. As it's phrased it sounds as if this is not the case.

For both the voyage mission highlights I mention and the low-point high yield fish, I detail them a lot in this guide: https://guides.ffxivteamcraft.com/gu...fishing-points
The voyage missions, in both the Voyage Mission section and in the guides for each route. For what I mean about the low-point high-yield fish being good/easy to target and worth considering especially if the goal is 10k, it's also highlighted in the stops for each route.
For a guide for novices I'm not suggesting you go into this much detail, but more linking it to express what I mean about how voyage missions can relatively easily be targeted, and the viability of the other fish.

Thank you very much for the info! Definitely very useful for me!

[Caimie_Tsukino]

I hope I don't come across as hostile/rude; I'm just person-who-collects-a-lot-of-ocean-fishing data and is passionate about it and teaching people that it is not as difficult to do well in it as it seems. So I appreciate you creating something to help people who are new.

Not at all! Seeing you with fewer than 10 posts made on the forum, but writing up such a long, informative, detailed reply on this thread, my spider tingling sense told me that you are a very experienced fisher, and you definitely know your game! I am just a newbie here. I think I (and a lot other people too) can benefit from your experience!

Hookset use in ocean fishing is the same as in the overworld, which means it is based on the fish size. Just like in the overworld ! is Precision and !! is Powerful. !!! fish of green rarity of higher in ocean fishing are like big fish in that they can be either Hookset.

For Hooksets in general: A fish with an average size of <20im means the fish will confidently be Precision and an average size of >30m will confidently be Powerful. 20~30im is a bit of a grey area.

There are six ocean fishing fish in total which are Precision. The one I didn't mention above is Seafaring Toad, which is beyond the scope of this guide, but yes the five mentioned are also all Precision.

Here's some applied tests done:

The Spectral fish in general have a pretty high escape rate so even using the correct one they have a decently good chance of getting away but all of the above have average sizes in-line with being Precision Hookset fish as well.

Dude, this is GOLD! This is important information and precious data that may rectify a common misconception! No wonder I kept missing the Shooting Stars and Ginkgo Fins! I did get them eventually with Powerful Hook, but the failure rate is horrendous. If I had known this earlier, I'd have a much better chance of catching them! Similarly, the Seafaring Toad has been ultra-elusive, and I failed sooo many times before finally getting it today:



If I had known this earlier, I might have gotten her much earlier!

And I cannot believe the Spectral Sea Bo, Butterfly and Discus favoring Precision instead of Powerful! Did you obtain these data yourself by testing? The advantage of using Precision is gigantic! And it's so hard to believe that HALF of the Spectral Fish would be favoring Precision instead! I need to make a note on this definitely. In fact, it's information that is very critical to the WHOLE ship's crew when trying to spawn Spectral Current!

Devil's Sting requires Krill, has a !! bite but bites much later than Titanshell Crab or Mistbeard's Cup. Flaming Eel is a !! bite whose bite time overlaps with it but it is not available when Devil's Sting is. Flaming Eel is Sunset, Devil's Sting is Day.
This table is showing accurate macro-based timings:

The blue highlights are what the fish is most likely to bite on (or the required one, not account for Versatile Lure), the green ones mean the fish can bite on that bait but they have lower bite rates.
On any ocean fishing bait: Titanshell Crab is an "instant" bite which displays as 2-3s, stopping exactly as your macro timer hits 3s and Mistbeard's Cup is 3-4s, but won't bite exactly when your macro hits 3s. Devil's Sting starts biting much, much later and does not overlap with them in any way.

The example with Titanshell and Mistbeard's Cup's timings is a good example for most of the low-point high-yield DHx4/THx7 fish and how they can be blind THed, but it might appear difficult (but in practice is not really). But, in text this difference is both difficult to explain properly and so is difficult for novices to grasp, so I would agree that trying to get this across in a guide aimed at novices is not worth going into detail on and keeping it to the easy one of Jetborne Manta is appropriate but it can bite using Krill too.
Devil's Sting bites so much later and has both a higher point value and better bite rate so I think this is worth mentioning. However, if going to continue to use Lulu's timings and/or not explaining theat at face value they don't express how they can be blind TH/DHed, the Callichthyid recommendation is the second version of "easier" stated above, so is sound if that is the approach being taken, but brought it up to highlight that Devil's Sting is flat-out better and also still very easy.

I see now. I should definitely include the recommendation of Devil's Sting for Daytime of Ciedalaes! Thanks!

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Not at all! Seeing you with fewer than 10 posts made on the forum, but writing up such a long, informative, detailed reply on this thread, my spider tingling sense told me that you are a very experienced fisher, and you definitely know your game! I am just a newbie here. I think I (and a lot other people too) can benefit from your experience!

Not that I have much more posts, I will validate and back anything Tyo says as Very Good Information™ .

Guy literally wrote the book on Ocean Fishing.