Thread: Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

Originally Posted by Brinne

Once again, yes, you are agreeing that this is your logic - that "if a single individual seems, to my estimation, okay within a terrible environment, even if the majority of others around them are in explicit anguish, then everyone should be okay with it and any anguish expressed can be disregarded." In which case, we've hit another one of those impasses where I can't do anything but shrug and go, sure - I personally believe that logic is deeply fallacious, deeply callous, and overlaps with the excuses one often hears to dismiss all manner of poor conditions and mistreatment ("I was beaten as a child, and I turned out fine!"), but all right. I can't convince anyone to care about the demonstrable pain of others when they're looking for any excuse to pretend it isn't valid.

You are once again extrapolating more than you should. My point is that we lack a definitive statement on what it is like to be one with Zodiark. If you disagree then please post that statement. Otherwise, lets recognize that both of us are reaching conclusions from contextual clues. I see Hyth being ok and the statements from the souls discussing how they intended Zodiark to be forever the star's will, and I'm concluding that this is not a "fate worse than death."

Perhaps the best argument I could make for this is the fact that death was an alternative, they after all could've chosen to die and be burned away like those who summoned Hydaelyn did. Why didn't they, if being with Zodiark is a fate "worse than death?"

Originally Posted by Brinne

You... you yourself pointed out Dynamis snuffs out aether. It was explicitly stated in the text that the world was dead, necessitating the use of Ancient souls for the massive amount of aether needed to fuel Zodiark. This sacrifice has never been painted by anything in the story besides noble and laudable. To use your words, you are denying the premise of the text here, and I'm not sure for what - to suggest the Ancients were not acting out of necessity and desperation when they used themselves as sacrifices, but, like, laziness? Is that your ultimate hypothesis here?

Ok, I'm going to walk this through as simply as possible.

Lets operate under the assumption that, as you suggest, there is nothing inherently superior in Ancient souls that make them the best option to empower Zodiark.

1. The Ancients need aether to summon Zodiark
2. Ancient souls are not special and could be replaced with other sources of aether
3. Ancients are able to reduce objects and creatures into base aether
4. There exist multiple facilities, creations, etc. that survived the Final Days that could be reduced to base aether

This leads to a simple conclusion. You don't have to sacrifice humans. You can use other sources.

Originally Posted by Brinne

Uh, I was never trying to prove anything existed. That was in reply to your question of "so why didn't Elidibus do this?" and I answered with "we have no specific or concrete details on exactly what he did."

And you're response was "maybe he did." My point is rooted in the fact that there is a clear solution to the dilemma that divided the Ancients, yet despite acting rationally they did not take that option. Why? This is only a problem if you believe there's nothing special or unique about the souls of sentient beings.

Originally Posted by Brinne

Because you're mistaking the "stealing" in the metaphor as being the stand-in for "sacrifice" in general, when it is not. The stand-in is, again, the ideological factor of "looking back" and "not embracing suffering." The first two sacrifices didn't hit Venat as indicating guilt of those emotional crimes. The third did.

Not true. As the Watcher stated Venat opposed Zodiarks initial sundering, yet did not sunder him immediately.