This frequency of English localization issues is unacceptable

[Necrotica]

Yes, yes, we know you hate Venat. You've only dragged like 10 threads down that rabbit hole.

Less rabbit hole and more grand canyon of evidence that she is just a horrible horrible person.

[Theodric]

Yes, yes, we know you hate Venat. You've only dragged like 10 threads down that rabbit hole.

I don't hate Venat. I find the writing around her to be very questionable. Especially after a decade of certain posters and the game itself swearing up and down that no matter how sympathetic the plight of the antagonists happen to be, certain red lines could never be crossed. Then the pretty 'mOmMy' character crosses the same red line and suddenly it's perfectly acceptable to partake of genocide.

[Nestama]

I feel there are three possible outcomes that could have occurred if the Ancients were allowed to go ahead with their Zodiark plan and Venat (and those who shared her view) chooses to just sit back and watch.

1. The planet goes on as normal until everything else in the universe is dead.
2. The planet goes on as normal once all the new races are sacrificed and the Ancients revived... but then what? Those who were enthralled no longer have a purpose. There's a possibility that those tempered by Zodiark will "retire," now that their purpose is done. If Zodiark's Primal influence is just by proximity, then the people can live on just fine (but Elidibus will forever be alone). But if its on a global scale... now nothing could happen, but those tempered by Primals tend to only have one goal/purpose and I doubt Zodiark really needs any help keeping the Final Song at bay.
3. Themis is killed in Pandaemonium (no WoL to travel back in time) and whatever is in there that's capable of corrupting the Ancients is able to leave unabated.

Anyway, that all has nothing to do with localisation. I'm personally fine with how the localisation is.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

1. The planet goes on as normal once all the new races are sacrificed and the Ancients revived... but then what? Those who were enthralled no longer have a purpose. There's a possibility that those tempered by Zodiark will "retire," now that their purpose is done. If Zodiark's Primal influence is just by proximity, then the people can live on just fine (but Elidibus will forever be alone). But if its on a global scale... now nothing could happen, but those tempered by Primals tend to only have one goal/purpose and I doubt Zodiark really needs any help keeping the Final Song at bay.
   

Anyway, that all has nothing to do with localisation. I'm personally fine with how the localisation is.

Ignoring the fact that this has nothing to do with localization, it was never stated anywhere that the sacrifices were "new races". All the known races that live on the planet present day are races that came into being after the Sundering had already happened.

Primals temper according to their purpose, and Zodiark's purpose was always "salvation". Nothing will happen if there is no situation where the people need salvation. Zodiark would be doing pirouettes in orbit and life would probably go on as normal. And also, according to the game itself, the "tempering" that Zodiark supposedly did to the Ancients was very different from the tempering of the crude Primals of the tribes whose summoning process was intentionally introduced to them in a botched fashion. It is supposedly much milder and more like a slight nudge.

[Jonnycbad]

The English localization is not derived from the JP script. The French and German localizations are. The Japanese and English scripts are co-written simultaneously according to interviews with Koji.

[moxphlox]

...the game uses a form of Old English and you have a style that is going to have selective verbiage in which differentiates from the JP script...

I want to clarify something. There is huge a difference between Old English and ye olde stuff.

FFXIV dialogue relies heavily on archaisms and obsolete features; but even characters like Urianger are speaking Modern English (albeit with uncommon syntax, some Early Modern words, and "thee, thou" sprinkled in for effect). I think there is a very fair comparison to be made with Shakespeare, but nothing before his time.

Shakespeare's first poem was published in 1593, in Early Modern English (~1500-1750).
It's tempting to consider his works Middle English because it was long ago, but they were not.

Old English (~450-1150) would be like Beowulf and The Exeter Book, or poets like Cædmon, Cynewulf, etc.
It looks so different, it isn't mutually intelligible with the English that we read. The vocabulary/roots were purely Germanic until the Norman Conquest of 1066, which begins the influence from Romance languages. The upper class of England started speaking Anglo-Norman French and OE began developing into Middle English over the next few centuries. OE grammatical features were greatly simplified during this time period.

Compare Shakespeare's Sonnet 130 to The Seafarer, a poem written in OE between 450-940. (or this)

TLDR: If the dialogue was in any form of Old English, we wouldn't understand the story

[Iscah]

And also, according to the game itself, the "tempering" that Zodiark supposedly did to the Ancients was very different from the tempering of the crude Primals of the tribes whose summoning process was intentionally introduced to them in a botched fashion. It is supposedly much milder and more like a slight nudge.

Funnily enough, that is one of the few instances where to my understanding the English has gone askew from the other languages. I saw a comparison a while back and the others were more along the lines of "proper summoning won't temper you unless it's something on the scale of Zodiark".

[ArslanMalqir]

Ignoring the fact that this has nothing to do with localization, it was never stated anywhere that the sacrifices were "new races". All the known races that live on the planet present day are races that came into being after the Sundering had already happened.

The actual quote emphasizes that the split between factions happened because the faction that was against the sacrifices wanted to leave custodianship of the world to the new life that had been created. It's not explicit, but the implication is that "new life" in fact referred to people, not just plants and animals. That would explain why there are so many races in the modern day while back around the time of Amaurot before the Final Days there was only one race.

I don't hate Venat. I find the writing around her to be very questionable. Especially after a decade of certain posters and the game itself swearing up and down that no matter how sympathetic the plight of the antagonists happen to be, certain red lines could never be crossed. Then the pretty 'mOmMy' character crosses the same red line and suddenly it's perfectly acceptable to partake of genocide.

Venat making the decision to Sunder the star after all her efforts at convincing other Ancients to not sacrifice innocent new life so they could enjoy a false paradise is not the same as the Garlean Empire deciding to drop a meteor on or gas Eorzea to wipe out all life on it in the name of a conquest built on the idea of racial superiority, or the Ascians deciding to wipe out all life on 14 worlds because they think all new life is inherently inferior to them and they want to go back to their world. It's not about whether or not Venat was justified, that is explicitly left up to you to decide, it's about understanding why they did what they did and coming to terms with it because it can't be undone.

Also—please really consider the argument you're making here, because genocide isn't justifiable. It doesn't actually matter how sympathetic or understanding you are of who did it or why it happened, it's still a horrible thing.

[Ransu]

Yes, I'm sure many here are aware of the bizarre attempts to justify the genocide of an entire species and blame them for being placed in that situation by the same individual responsible for their demise.

I don't hate Venat. I find the writing around her to be very questionable. Especially after a decade of certain posters and the game itself swearing up and down that no matter how sympathetic the plight of the antagonists happen to be, certain red lines could never be crossed. Then the pretty 'mOmMy' character crosses the same red line and suddenly it's perfectly acceptable to partake of genocide.

So you didn't actually follow the story then? Got it...

[Floortank]

I found the entire retcon of the Sundering to be nonsensical. That scene played out like Yoshi-P didn't understand Natsuko's draft or decided to rewrite it while directing the scene. It'd be nice to think it was a localization issue, but it does unintentionally make Hydaelyn seem like a terrible character.