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  1. #61
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    Xirean's Avatar
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    Assuming your gear is at least on level with the dungeon, you're basically not in danger even with large pulls. Based on your initial post it sounds like you want to do large pulls and just struggle and the pace. As others have mentioned, sprint is the go to tool for this. It also doubles as mitigation because if a melee mob can't touch you it can't damage you. It will take time, but you'll eventually get an understanding with each dungeon where the mobs are, where the walls are, and when you need to be concerned about specific things like a range mob that won't move or "I need more mitigation for this pull". If a DPS does manage to get ahead of you and pull stuff, take note of if those mobs come back with a slow debuff on them. A lot of dps will try to do this specific thing just to use arms length.

    If you want to you could just prepare a macro to tell people that you are learning and figuring stuff out, most people won't try crazy stuff when you say that. Lastly keep in mind, that a dungeon's pace is a group decision, not the tanks. If someone wants you to pull more or faster then attempt to do so, if they want slower, maybe pull back. Other members of the party have just as much say in how the run goes as you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    And lastly, accepting their stance and moving on. People don't jump into the tank role and immediately go wall-to-wall and survive.
    You'd be surprised how common this actually is. It's also something that I did when I started.
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  2. #62
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    You'd be surprised how common this actually is. It's also something that I did when I started.
    I think it also depends on your mileage up to that point.

    W2w pull was something that I immediately try on first go because I remember that's what majority of tanks I've got paired with do their job. I watched their legworks. I watch their buff bars, and try to remember if I see any similar icons on my first tank job (It was a WAR, too) and tried to apply them. On some less common times I'd get paired with slow single pulling tank but that wasn't the norm. So my mind immediately thinks that I should be pulling wall to wall because that's probably what people expect out of me. Being a main healer first also plays a factor because I came to tanking knowing how much a healer needs to output to survive most pulls in general.

    If people are fresh to tanking not knowing any of the above, I imagine they'd tip-toe at beginning too.
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  3. #63
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    Daniel Negreanu
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    Lucy pyre had a good vid about this recently.

    When in doubt, pull w2w.
    Except Bardam’s Mettle before the first Buffalothing boss
    Use sprint before drawing aggro so you get 20s of sprint instead of 10s
    Make sure you tag every mob. If you miss some, spend another gcd before moving on
    Group em up, help out healers with cd’s but don’t kitchen sink all of >90s cds on the first pull

    When starting out tanking, healer have to healbot, that’s just how it is. It’s not until tanks get lots of mit when healers can spend most of their time dpsing instead of healbotting.

    But yeah get in the habit of w2w

    If grasshopper dps do whatever and die that isn’t your concern your concern is to tank that means get the aggro, mitigate damage, pull big, and keep them in place once grouped

    Just say no to passive aggression

    And they I saw your forum signature
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  4. #64
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    game_enjoyer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    no i do not, i usually pull wall to wall unless im unfamiliar with thanking that dungeon
    there must be some details ur leaving out if u usually pull w2w but still have frequent issues with dps pulling mobs for u. it feels like either ur making some bizarre pathing decisions or ur not sprinting. biggest thing to remember when ur playing warrior is once u hit level 56 (the aery for dungeon leveling) u only die if u choose to. raw intuition is unbelievably strong and will let u solo heal every dungeon from then on. don't be afraid to sprint ahead, aoe the first mob pack, and keep the train moving till u hit the wall. throw up RI, pop infuriate, and give urself a free benediction.
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  5. #65
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    no i do not, i usually pull wall to wall unless im unfamiliar with thanking that dungeon
    Every dungeon is the same. There are no meaningful differences between one dungeon's trash and another. You should have realized that by now tbh.
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    As the title says I recently started playing WAR. This is also my first time playing a tank (i pretty much always play healer in any MMO) and i finally understand everyone's complaints about tanking in ffxiv. Like what am i supposed to do if the DPS continually run ahead to pull groups/bosses faster than i can get my character to move?
    Sprint!

    Also, I would love to have Rescue as a tank. It would still be on brand for tanks and let us mess with early pullers.
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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    i finally understand everyone's complaints about tanking in ffxiv. Like what am i supposed to do if the DPS continually run ahead to pull groups/bosses faster than i can get my character to move?
    on an unrelated note, dps pulling mob packs stops being a complaint very quickly. the main complaint from tank players is that tanking is much less engaging now than previous expacs
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  8. #68
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    You can try to catch up as well as you're able to, but if they run off to Narnia with mobs trailing, then they're just going to wait until you can get there. Maybe you had to pause for a second. Maybe you took some seconds loading in. Just do your best with the tools available and if they die because that wasn't good enough, they die. Maybe they'll learn to move as a team after a few times or maybe they'll keep being careless and facing the consequences for it. So long as you do what you can, nobody can complain.
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  9. #69
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    Chopstix Maulader
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    As the title says I recently started playing WAR. This is also my first time playing a tank (i pretty much always play healer in any MMO) and i finally understand everyone's complaints about tanking in ffxiv. Like what am i supposed to do if the DPS continually run ahead to pull groups/bosses faster than i can get my character to move?
    im guessing u r single pack pulling?

    rare times i get to dps a dungeon (expert 90) im force pulling the 2nd pack if the tank isnt, cause i know we can do it np, saves time too unless the tank is the horrible you pull you tank category (which wastes everyone's time, dont do it pls)

    long story short, always at least pull 2 packs together, use sprint, ideally b4 u pull the 1st pack cause then it lasts 20 secs out of combat, no way DPS outrun u like that

    dont be afraid to overpull and learn ur limits, ull get better with experience, and remember to make use of invuln proactively post 50 :P
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  10. #70
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Soma_Farkreath View Post
    As the title says I recently started playing WAR. This is also my first time playing a tank (i pretty much always play healer in any MMO) and i finally understand everyone's complaints about tanking in ffxiv. Like what am i supposed to do if the DPS continually run ahead to pull groups/bosses faster than i can get my character to move?
    Be faster.

    Bind the hotbar button with Sprint to your keyboard or mouse. Press it out of battles (after enemies are dead) so the duration is 20 instead of 10. Use gap closers and Provoke to reach mobs that are too are away for your other ranged attack.

    Don't stop. Don't wait. The moment enemies are dead, start moving. In my years of experience, you will be in front in every dungeon by doing this.

    You are within your right to go slow and let them die if you want though.
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    Last edited by Jeeqbit; 06-07-2022 at 03:22 AM.
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
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