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[Ransu]

There will never be instanced housing. The devs have been very clear on that both that they cant do it server capacity wise and that they simply don't want to do it because their design for housing areas was never intended for everyone to have a house. the original intent was for them to be for FC's and for the housing to be a "neighborhood" feel where houses were shared with the FC. Honestly allowing personal housing was a mistake that has lead to the current scenario of people constantly trying to get a personal house. Ya ya, ghost FC's and all that, but that's a minor problem compared to the situation right now where people just can't accept the fact that housing is intended to be a certain way and its never going to change.

Just wait for the island sanctuary content where everyone is assuming you're going to be able to do gardening and other features locked behind housing (just don't expect to have the housing features. If that happens I'd be shocked.)

[Jojoya]

There will never be instanced housing. The devs have been very clear on that both that they cant do it server capacity wise and that they simply don't want to do it because their design for housing areas was never intended for everyone to have a house. the original intent was for them to be for FC's and for the housing to be a "neighborhood" feel where houses were shared with the FC. Honestly allowing personal housing was a mistake that has lead to the current scenario of people constantly trying to get a personal house. Ya ya, ghost FC's and all that, but that's a minor problem compared to the situation right now where people just can't accept the fact that housing is intended to be a certain way and its never going to change.

Just wait for the island sanctuary content where everyone is assuming you're going to be able to do gardening and other features locked behind housing (just don't expect to have the housing features. If that happens I'd be shocked.)

You realize that Island Sanctuary's existence shows that instance server capacity is a non-issue. correct? Since every character who gets past whatever MSQ/side quest requirement SE has for Island Sanctuary will have one. If it can be done for Island Sanctuary, it can be done for housing. After all, if player is in one instance it means they aren't occupying any others.

It doesn't really matter what their original intent for housing was. Designs can be changed based on player reaction.

MSQ - revamped in response to player feedback.

Diadem - totally repurposed because players did not like the original even after SE made a few changes.

Eureka - the content design for the later zones changed in response to player feedback.

Elite hunts have been changed from some wildly varying respawn timers and dozens of spawn points per zone to standardized respawn timers and about a dozen spawn points in response to player feedback.

New FATEs added in ShB and EW were changed from rewarding GC seals to bi-color gemstones because players complained that FATEs needed a new type of reward to make them worth doing.

Jobs have changed over time from their original designs in response to player feedback. And so on...

There's no reason why housing design can't also be changed in response to player feedback and how players actually engage with the system.

Not certain why you bother bringing up Island Sanctuary when you acknowledge it's not going to be the answer to the housing problems.

[Ransu]

You realize that Island Sanctuary's existence shows that instance server capacity is a non-issue. correct?

Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

[Jojoya]

Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

[Ransu]

As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

As far as SE is concerned it is working and its something players need to just accept. They have no intention of creating instanced housing and they have no intention of making accommodations for every player to be able to have a house.

[Amenara]

Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

And it's a stupid design philosophy thus why we complain so much about it on the forums. As Jojoya said, providing feedback on the forums is how we have effected good change in the game.

[Ransu]

And it's a stupid design philosophy thus why we complain so much about it on the forums. As Jojoya said, providing feedback on the forums is how we have effected good change in the game.

Stupid to you maybe, but plenty of people find it perfectly fine and like the town feel. Swtor has instanced housing and it's lame as hell hiding in your little instanced house with no one to interact with and no other strongholds to run around in the open and look at for that town feel.

[Basteala]

Honestly I wouldn't blame personal housing per se for the "problem" right now.

I should probably elaborate. It may be true that Housing was intended primarily for FCs, and having seen the benefits of an FC house firsthand--it wouldn't be the same without it to be sure. It *would* have been a problem if the "rampant" personal bidding was preventing FCs from getting housing at all, and for a time--it absolutely was. Small FCs especially of 3-4 people were often trying to bid against some 20 personal prospects.

But the Ward distribution, whatever people think about that--*does* address that. If the primary focus is to make sure every FC gets a house, the 75/25 split *was* successful, while still giving people an (overwhelmingly) small chance at getting a house.

At times it's a little *too* successful. When you have nearly empty FC wards vs an overcrowding in personal there's absolutely cause to be upset. Granted until we see a couple more cycles it's difficult to say how many of those plots will remain that way. FCs are almost certainly operating as personals do: go for the large, when that fails try again on the medium, when that fails, try again on the small.


Honestly I think the bigger problem is apartment limitations. I don't just mean things like item slot restrictions or lack of space--creative lofting can help with both of those. You mentioned the gardening thing, but....I can't be the only one that wishes I could have a single tenant in an apartment--either to help build/loft something, or for a couple (can eternally bonded people enter their bond mate's locked apartment? This I don't know).

Especially with the housing shortage, just like in real life, you have a lot of people cohabitating in apartments now, so it'd be nice to see some of those similar cohabitation options, like you see with houses.

Also apartments are already nearly stuffed to capacity depending on the server. Again. Again this is an argument in favor of FC housing since they support 512 rooms, but I really have to ask why apartment buildings don't do that as well. I really can't see that being a resource limitation when there's basically 18 wards that (theoretically) each have houses that support 512 rooms.

Some people would say "join an FC", to which I would say, "yes! I'm in one! It's great " but some people might want privacy at times, or they might want the stability of an apartment never going away (some FCs kick for idleness, or some people just decide they don't fit in any more, or any number of reasons), or--let's be honest--FF14 does have a pretty solid single player experience. Some people might want to keep it that way, including for apartments.

[Yshtola_Cat]

As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

They're not going to change how they're doing things because you don't like the product. You are always free to set your game client to a different language.

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