Hahaha, 20+ entries on small plots already

[Drkdays]

The lottery is super fair and it helps make housing far more possible for those who had niether the time nor the will to placard camp.

But they completely bombed any good they did adding the lottery system by shrinking the number of personal homes to a mere six wards while seeming to actually heighten the well-known shell FC problem.

One step forward does not forgive two steps back.

[Divinemights]

On Ultros there's 20+ lotto entries on basically every open small plot. There's les than 5% chance of getting anything. The lottery is a good system and I give SE props for their effort.

This is on those lottery worshippers, get your target right

[Basteala]

It mystifies me that everyone blames the lottery for their housing woes.

The "worst" thing lottery does is make house hunting less inconvenient, thus more people do it. Or can do it. Yes some people still work in this pandemic.

Main issue is, and always has been supply. If you want to bash SE for something, bash the choice to split the wards as they were. I get why they did it, but even opening just the smalls for personal purchase in the other wards would alleviate some (but certainly not all) of the supply concerns.

That won't happen right away though. We've barely had any lottery cycles, but the point remains: don't blame a supply issue on a means of distribution.

Speaking as someone who's seeing 30+ bids on goblet, which is historically like half of everywhere else.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Y’all only have to deal with 20+? Mine is at 70+ - another is at 200+ for a small.

[Yukimin]

Blame Yoshi and Square as much as you want, but it was the community that wanted this. See? They listen to us!

[Hasrat]

Lottery was destined to be like this because it doesn't address the core issue of the system.

Until the supply/demand of housing isnt so hilariously lopsided that the supply can only meet >5% of the demand, the systems are going to be poorly received.

Do you have any statistics/data to back up that ">5%" claim? Cuz with these numbers, the remainder of players trying to gain access to the remaining houses seems like a much smaller group compared to the tens of thousands of players that already have access to housing.

[Shibi]

, the remainder of players trying to gain access to the remaining houses seems like a much smaller group compared to the tens of thousands of players that already have access to housing.

Depends if that person meant "Demand at the instant" or not.

Do you have any statistics/data to back up that ">5%" claim?

Take Balmung as an example. 17 personal plots free, a total of 1,963 bidders. So that's enough housing to fill 0.8% of the demand, today.

Other stats for Balmung:

Taking 19-24 over all personal wards, is 1783 homes are full, with the 1,963 people wanting to move in to the 17 left.

Taking 1-24 over all wards, then we have 6,708 people (and FCs) with houses and 3,426 people (and FCs) wanting to move into the 492 left.

[Hasrat]

Then that would be a misleading use of "supply and demand." The supply is not just what is available, but the entire total, some of which is already meeting some of the demand.

And quite honestly we don't know, and may never know, the true "supply and demand" until/unless auto-demolition is allowed to run without interruption for at least, like, a year, if not an entire expansion cycle.

More, with the coming of new worlds for new data centers in NA and EU, that supply is about to be massively increased. After which, arguments that "the supply isn't meeting the demand" will ring hollow until all the housing districts are once again burgeoning.

(and since we've seen it before, calling it now, we're bound to see requests along the lines of "there's so many empty wards on the new servers, why not just apply those to my world?")

[Shibi]

(and since we've seen it before, calling it now, we're bound to see requests along the lines of "there's so many empty wards on the new servers, why not just apply those to my world?")

haha, I recall we actually had this suggestion a few weeks ago on the OF!

[Jojoya]

Depends if that person meant "Demand at the instant" or not.



Take Balmung as an example. 17 personal plots free, a total of 1,963 bidders. So that's enough housing to fill 0.8% of the demand, today.

Other stats for Balmung:

Taking 19-24 over all personal wards, is 1783 homes are full, with the 1,963 people wanting to move in to the 17 left.

Taking 1-24 over all wards, then we have 6,708 people (and FCs) with houses and 3,426 people (and FCs) wanting to move into the 492 left.

It's really not a good idea for players to try to separate unmet demand from met demand. It distorts the overall picture of the state of housing because the supply in the met demand will slowly become available to fill unmet demand through relinquishing and demolition (once that resumes) and ward designations switch between FC and personal. Some of what players are considering unmet demand is actually met demand (current owners trying to relocate). And there are available plots still on every world that would be filling part of the unmet demand but aren't because they're currently reserved for FCs.

We also don't know how many players aren't participating in the system even though they would like to have a house but feel like they can't get one so they don't bother even though participating in the lottery is zero risk.

(and since we've seen it before, calling it now, we're bound to see requests along the lines of "there's so many empty wards on the new servers, why not just apply those to my world?")

That's been an ongoing thing for years. Every time there's available supply on some worlds while others are full, requests start coming into to redistribute wards between worlds. A couple of other MMOs using a ward style system add more wards (or whatever their local term is) to a server when occupancy reaches a certain percentage in that server's existing wards without impacting other servers. Unfortinately, SE's system doesn't seem to be able to accommodate that.