The lack of Pride seasonal events is super disrespectful to the trans community

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Shame people feel the need to weaponise ToS to silence other people. Ironic the people calling for tolerance do tend to be the most intolerant to people not eating up all the things they try to feed you. In games they will try to have you banned and irl they will come instead for your livelihood. Pretty disgusting.

And I would also wonder why people pointing out gender dysphoria is mental illness is taken so poorly? Sounds like the stigma against mental illness rearing it's head. We are not lesser for suffering from a mental illness, we just have challenges to face that some others do not. Getting all offended at someone saying x is a mental illness (when it is) is you in your mind saying that mental illness is bad or that you are somehow lesser for having it.

Understanding gender dysphoria went a long way for many people in accepting trans people in the first place and now many are trying to throw it out the window and say anyone can be trans without suffering from the thing that would cause you to transition in the first place. If you are A ok with your body, sex, gender etc.. what exactly is the motivator for you to claim the trans title? I have no idea. To me it seems some people enjoy aspects typical of the opposite gender and as such say they are trans, but you are just a guy or girl who doesn't conform to stereotypes.. ykno tomboy, femboi etc. I don't think trans is a descriptor that applies to a person that just enjoys the other sex's clothing etc. Clothing and make up are just things we made ourselves, sex and gender is deeper than that.

That's just my thoughts on it. In general, live and let live. I don't have to agree with a person or 100% understand the label they claim. Do you.

[Kolsykol]

Shame people feel the need to weaponise ToS to silence other people. Ironic the people calling for tolerance do tend to be the most intolerant to people not eating up all the things they try to feed you. In games they will try to have you banned and irl they will come instead for your livelihood. Pretty disgusting.

And I would also wonder why people pointing out gender dysphoria is mental illness is taken so poorly? Sounds like the stigma against mental illness rearing it's head. We are not lesser for suffering from a mental illness, we just have challenges to face that some others do not. Getting all offended at someone saying x is a mental illness (when it is) is you in your mind saying that mental illness is bad or that you are somehow lesser for having it.

Understanding gender dysphoria went a long way for many people in accepting trans people in the first place and now many are trying to throw it out the window and say anyone can be trans without suffering from the thing that would cause you to transition in the first place. If you are A ok with your body, sex, gender etc.. what exactly is the motivator for you to claim the trans title? I have no idea. To me it seems some people enjoy aspects typical of the opposite gender and as such say they are trans, but you are just a guy or girl who doesn't conform to stereotypes.. ykno tomboy, femboi etc. I don't think trans is a descriptor that applies to a person that just enjoys the other sex's clothing etc. Clothing and make up are just things we made ourselves, sex and gender is deeper than that.

That's just my thoughts on it. In general, live and let live. I don't have to agree with a person or 100% understand the label they claim. Do you.

I don't really want to open that can of worms about what is and isn't a mental disorder ( Homosexuality has been declassified as such since the 70's tho.. ).
But I think there is a difference between having a good faith discussion about that and with calling people derogatory slurs and making clearly bigoted comments combined with calling Homosexuality and Transgenderism mental disorders.
The context there changes and it's pretty clear where it's coming from.

There's a lot of criticism I could make about Trans people online and in media in particular that I think most Trans people would agree with and criticize themselves ( most people engaging with that aren't even Trans, but ppl trying to win brownie points ).
But there is a difference between that and blatant bigotry.

Imo I think that the term '' mental illness '' is stigmatized and gets moralized about too much, but I also think that people who use the term as has been used here and in the other thread are fully aware of that and are intentionally using it to stigmatize.
If I was to use it in a discussion about this I wouldn't be using it to try and stigmatize and be bigoted towards people but that is clearly the context behind why a lot of people are using it here.
Context actually matters a lot here.

[Gothicshark]

Shame people feel the need to weaponise ToS to silence other people. Ironic the people calling for tolerance do tend to be the most intolerant to people not eating up all the things they try to feed you. In games they will try to have you banned and irl they will come instead for your livelihood. Pretty disgusting.

Tolerence for people, 0 tolerance for Hate and bigotry. I have no tolerance for any words or actions designed to harm others. Hate speech is designed to rally people so they can murder people like me. Just this week an author who was saying the same words as the Bigot who posted here called for the ending of trans lives.

And I would also wonder why people pointing out gender dysphoria is mental illness is taken so poorly? Sounds like the stigma against mental illness rearing it's head. We are not lesser for suffering from a mental illness, we just have challenges to face that some others do not. Getting all offended at someone saying x is a mental illness (when it is) is you in your mind saying that mental illness is bad or that you are somehow lesser for having it.

Because they are equating Gender Dysphoria as being Transgender. Not all Transgender people get Gender Dysphoria, and not all types of Dysphoria are related to Gender. In fact it was a Transphobe who separated Gender Dysphoria from General Dysphoria in the first place to add more stigma to being transgender. Yes many of us get it, just like the vast majority of us end up with PTSD due to physical and sexual assault. Does Being Transgender mean you automatically get PTSD? No. GD is basically similar to PTSD as its caused by society telling people what counts as manly or womanly. Just like weight, height, skin and hair color. The vast majority of people with dysphoria are Cis Gender people, the main causes Male Patterned Baldness, how many Cis guys go crazy when they loose their hair? The cause is the social pressure to have a full head of hair.

Understanding gender dysphoria went a long way for many people in accepting trans people in the first place and now many are trying to throw it out the window and say anyone can be trans without suffering from the thing that would cause you to transition in the first place. If you are A ok with your body, sex, gender etc.. what exactly is the motivator for you to claim the trans title?

Understanding Empathy is all a person needs to understand trans people. We exist, trans people have existed through out all of human history, and it wasn't an issue for anyone until the last few years. I've been out as Trans since the 1990s, and for the most part society was unaware of us, and when they found out they usually responded with "oh, cool" not the hate that we see these days. I've been living as a woman since 1992, I've only used womens restrooms since that time, and even though I have a "never can pass" body type, no one really cared or even noticed until Asshat became president of the US and validated the Reich Wing agenda.

Also how do I know my gender? How do you know? It's innate, you are just yourself, only you can define who you are in your head. I am a woman.

A simple test of gender identity, close your eyes and imagine the perfect you, don't limit yourself, just imagine the perfect you. Most peoples perfect self matches gender, most peoples perfect self is essentially the current self only better. Me and people like me see someone other than who we were born as. This is not Gender Dysphoria btw. It's just your identity.

Dysphoria is a chronic terminal illness where due to societal pressures you hate your body. It can be related to any aspect of your body. Most Dysphoria is easily treated and manageable.

I have no idea. To me it seems some people enjoy aspects typical of the opposite gender and as such say they are trans, but you are just a guy or girl who doesn't conform to stereotypes.. ykno tomboy, femboi etc. I don't think trans is a descriptor that applies to a person that just enjoys the other sex's clothing etc. Clothing and make up are just things we made ourselves, sex and gender is deeper than that.

Gender identity is not the same as aesthetic preference. Tom Boy and Fem Boy are just two types of gender nonconformity based on aesthetic and the social construct around gender. Being a man or a woman have nothing to do with the social construct of gender roles or gender presentation. I'm a trans woman, my gender identity is that of a woman, since birth I have always been female, I've never been able to "man up" because I'm not a man. If I wear jeans and a tee shirt with no make up, I'm a woman in jeans and a tee shirt without makeup, there is no man here. Likewise, there are guys out their who are manly men and have been men since birth, who like makeup and womanly clothing. Hells Bells, the entire Gothic Movement of the 80s and 90s was based around Straight Guys in Velvet, fishnets, and heavy makeup. What is funny the amount of trans guys I know who have beards, and pass in stealth as men, who will go out in drag during pride is much higher than I would have ever guessed. Like Trans Guys who look like Cowboys with full beards, going to pride dressed as Dorothy, it's a thing.

That's just my thoughts on it. In general, live and let live. I don't have to agree with a person or 100% understand the label they claim. Do you.

You don't have to understand, but if you don't understand, you don't have to make other peoples lives harder than it already is. Holding on to hateful ideas, and harmful stereotypes is a surefire way to harm other people. And you shouldn't.

[forsakee]

Also how do I know my gender? How do you know?

I looked in between my legs and knew I was a male also the doctors put it on my birth certificate

I suggest using this ancient technique to figure out what gender you are if your still confused.

[Jin-]

I looked in between my legs and knew I was a male also the doctors put it on my birth certificate

Darn, I thought i was the only one who knew that quick proofcheck xD

[RitsukoSonoda]

Darn, I thought i was the only one who knew that quick proofcheck xD

Maybe a lot of these ppl can't see down there to check because something gets in the way... >.>

[Gothicshark]

I looked in between my legs and knew I was a male also the doctors put it on my birth certificate

I suggest using this ancient technique to figure out what gender you are if your still confused.

Stop equating gender with sex, they are two very different things. Gender is the self identity and how we perceive our selves, biological sex is how we are born. They are two separate things, and they do not always match. And frankly not all of us are born with easily identified sex parts. Some of us were born with parts that don't follow normal patterns.

Also biological sex can be changed, gender identity can't be.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Stop equating gender with sex, they are two very different things. Gender is the self identity and how we perceive our selves, biological sex is how we are born. They are two separate things, and they do not always match. And frankly not all of us are born with easily identified sex parts. Some of us were born with parts that don't follow normal patterns.

Also biological sex can be changed, gender identity can't be.

Wait wait wait. Biological sex is the one you can't change. o,0 I mean you can legally change your sex on documents but your chromosomes ain't changing. Though it would be cool and scary if you could do so. I wouldn't say no to a day as a man knowing I can just snap my fingers and go back to regular ol me. Would be an interesting experience.

Gender identity you say cannot be changed but ik people that are gender fluid and they say that they can change from day to day, use different pronouns and present vastly different from day to day, so is that not the one that can change?

[Shuhannazy]

I looked in between my legs and knew I was a male also the doctors put it on my birth certificate

I suggest using this ancient technique to figure out what gender you are if your still confused.

Maybe read a biology book. Might I suggest topics on the following matters including but not limited to :
The difference between sex and gender
Intersex people
Chromosomes and their variants
How religion and your personal options do not dictate the laws of nature