What's even the point of doing savage?

[kaynide]

To you, not everyone is motivated by personal goals and intrinsic satisfaction some of us need to feel the grind, need the actual progression both in terms of looks and power. If we aren't going to be rewarded for our effort other than a fleeting feeling we will have on the first clear then it's not really that valuable.

I'm not really sure what you mean here- isn't grinding for grinding's sake just another personal goal/intrinsic satisfaction?

Other than that I think I basically said what you did:

The best-lazy way to gear is just the 3rd set of tomestone gear.

The gear is literally useless as once you have all BiS, you've already finished all the content except MAYBE Ultimate. There isn't some larger additional content that requires even remotely close to BiS.

[Karowolus]

I do it for fun... That's it. The fun and self satisfaction of clearing difficult content. It's fun. That's all I can say. When I can't exactly partake in glamour because of my race, I need to find a different endgame to participate in.

[Thoosa]

The only real reason to do savage is for the thrill of beating it - it’s a nice feeling after all that work learning the phases to finally kill it.

The only reason to do it for the gear is if you intend to do Ultimate after.

There’s nothing else in the game outside of ultimate that requires savage gear and your power gain gets “reset” when the next tier comes out, which along with it, comes new crafted gear which is better than the gear you earned from the previous savage tier.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

ALSO, you said for fun, but by the look of your lodestone, you never did any savage; and never did much extreme except older one. So, yeah, your opinion means very little to me

I did do Savage. I just never Cleared it. And I do Extremes just not right away. Ill possibly never do Ultimate, but thats fine.
I do more and different things in this game then Hardcore Raiding , I also have an ALT. So while my Lodestone doesn't reflect what YOU care about, doesn't mean I dont do the content, nor does it lower my opinion....or Objective Fact.
For Fun

And the Only time Im not having fun, is when I get a group that takes things to seriously and cant just relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy the thrill of learning and even helping others learn.

[pikalovr]

This is literally the worst place to argue about the one drop per week rule. Remove that and PF will die even earlier. You need enough people good and consistent enough at the game to clear P3s, if a significant amount of those people are done with the tier and have moved on to other stuff (ultimate for example), your chances are going to be worse. Nobody wants to play this tier forever. Do you want to force people into a perpetual grind wheel with a savage tier for 8 months?

so forcing people to grind weekly for alt job gearing isn't an issue either? FIVE MONTHS after the tier released if the raid gear was worth grinding for aside from faster reclears and ultimate admission you could have an argument there but since it isn't there's literally no reason to have it limited past like 3 months at most most jobs need like 5-6 pieces of savage raid gear for BiS and there's 5 roles int he game (tank, healer, ranged phys, caster, and melee DPS (i'm assuming you only play one melee DPS cause each melee has it's own gear or partner for their gear)). even if you managed to win the piece you needed every time you cleared which is extremely unlikely thats still 5-10 clears of each savage fight to fully gear yourself and your alt jobs. which is more than fair enough for the 3 month lockout period. you can use it as a bragging tool still that you got gear for all your jobs that you play

also if you really wanna throw out needing skilled players for P3s. i wonder if anything i said before would help with that hmmm? if you need to be carried through the content and can't even produce the damage needed to kill SSS do you really deserve that clear? (there is only one role that has an exception and thats healers cause they have the biggest chance to lose DPS due to others mistakes) cause for every 1% less effort you put in thats another 1% effort someone else needs to put in and so why is it fair that you get the clear and potentially the loot cause other people put in more effort?

there will always be people farming these savages. and more people would be willing to help newer players cause they don't have to worry about it being 1 chest, or not getting a book so they can CHOOSE what piece they want. unlocking the weekly limit on savage tiers earlier would overall be a better thing for all parties involved (the people who like to gear all their jobs, those who like collecting glams, those who want to clear the content or hell just farm it cause the fight is fun). and if you already got the fgear for your one job and are happy. you lose absolutely nothing by helping a new player and still get a book for doing it in case you do somewhere down the line want a piece for glam.

this is exactly the place to talk about it, cause we should be talking about the savage raid system and how to improve it when people ask about it

[Ivtrix]

Yes, but i dare you to go now on PF and do P1S and P2S if you never did it (only traning group because let say you never killed it). Even if you learn the mecha by heart, i dare you to do that, coming back here and telling me you had fun

Or even better, i dare you to go on endsinger extreme on PF and tell me you had fun

ALSO, you said for fun, but by the look of your lodestone, you never did any savage; and never did much extreme except older one. So, yeah, your opinion means very little to me

thats very amusing as i could say the same thing for you

punching down is boring

[Rilifane]

Yes, but i dare you to go now on PF and do P1S and P2S if you never did it (only traning group because let say you never killed it). Even if you learn the mecha by heart, i dare you to do that, coming back here and telling me you had fun

Or even better, i dare you to go on endsinger extreme on PF and tell me you had fun

ALSO, you said for fun, but by the look of your lodestone, you never did any savage; and never did much extreme except older one. So, yeah, your opinion means very little to me

I hop into PF for Ex/ Savage for fun. 0 chest late week practice/ clear parties. I get nothing out of it except free practice and... yes, fun.
Especially after unlock I tend to live in PF. Before that it's a bit difficult to get into parties because most want 2 chest, some even as late as on Mondays and I'm locked out of them but still possible and if a party that lets me join catches my eye I hop in on whichever class I feel like playing and have fun beating a boss into submission.

Doing it for the shinies alone feels unrewarding and unsatisfying because gear doesn't is useless for the most part unless you're going for the most current ultimate. If the gameplay part alone doesn't appeal to you then I wouldn't recommend doing savage because the ilvl increase is fairly small for the time investment. Not to mention you can get good gear with sometimes suboptimal substats from Tomes + Alli raid/ Nut coins alone.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

My coil group used to queue up for t5 on fun nights to get randoms clears (and bonus tomes).

If you aren't raiding for fun you are doing it wrong.

[Saraide]

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Yes, a thread from someone struggling with finding a decent group because most of them are finished at this point truly is the worst place to ask for removing the weekly loot restriction. I am fully aware gearing up multiple jobs sucks, but that is so unimaginably far removed from the issue OP is facing. By removing the weekly loot restriction you would put many more people in the same spot as OP by virtue of most people being done sooner after the tier launches.

Having a SSS gate before entering savage isnt a bad idea on its own but it again doesnt provide solutions to the issue OP is facing. There would probably just be less groups but that doesnt mean they would necessarily be better at clearing the fight. The dps check on P3s isnt that harsh, you need to get through the mechanics cleanly. A SSS gate does nothing for that.

[Themarvin]

There is no real point to it, the only difference is you know need to do enough DPS's not to hit the enrage timer and have more mechanics to react to, sometimes an additional mode as well.

And that is pretty much all about it.