Another Housing Idea...well Apartments

[Yshtola_Cat]

That or I think your complaint is a non-issue, just like you seem to think our complaints about apartments are a non-issue. Houses are still there, wards are still there. I am not advocating for any of their removals. Just because you improve apartments doesn't mean anything negative has to happen to houses. In fact it just gives further opportunity for home owners to do different things in a new location with an apartment. If you are worried about demolishing of houses, that can be a valid issue on its own, however, who knows if or when they will start demolishing houses again. The uncertainty of house demolishing is probably my biggest problem with the entire idea since no one can plan around it, on top of it being such a short timer at 45 days.

Where is my complaint? All I'm saying is that you people ask for all sorts of things without ever thinking about how it might affect other portions of the game. So you're right, my non-existing complaint is a non-issue given that I don't have a complaint to begin with. Sure, you're not advocating for their removal, but that's precisely the point you're failing to understand. I'm repeating myself, but you can't have a permanent system working alongside one that isn't when both are nearly identical in other aspects while also expecting the whole thing to just work without tossing a bone to the players who are tied to a subscription. What do you do with the partially empty wards when most personal houses would be traded for an apartment? How do you bonify houses to prevent a mass exodus?

I have 0 concerns about houses being demolished. If it came down to me, I'd nuke all personal housing due to its inferiority and its contribution to the problem since its introduction and hand over free apartments to whoever wants one. Provide generous incentives to Free Companies to either relocate or demolish their estate in order to shrink the amount of wards and call it a day.

You are delusional if you believe Square Enix will gladly accept to make the housing wards irrelevant in favor of apartments. Don't believe me? When was the last time apartments were upgraded?

Yes, you can. You're right, there would likely be some outrage because someone has to be outraged at everything just to pitch a fit. However, I highly doubt it would be a meaningful portion of the player population, with the vast majority being VERY happy for the addition. An easy resolution when adding upgraded apartments would simply be to shut off the demolition timer and -poof- you've got permanent ward housing with no loss of investment.

I have a house and two apartments. If we were given the option to upgrade the apartments to a permanent space using current house floor plans (with or without a garden plot), I'd blow all my gil doing it without any hard feelings about needing to continue interacting with my ward house. Landscaping and hanging out in my yard is equally important to me as interior decorating and hosting RP events, so I consider having to maintain my sub a fair price to pay for the ability to do those activities.

Even if we had to maintain our sub to keep a ward house, considering we have the ability to relocate, I wouldn't be surprised if a fair portion of the people who currently have a ward house would relocate to an apartment of the same size in short order.


All that's to say, having ward housing and upgraded apartments aren't at all incompatible and having both would only benefit the player base.

No more auto-demolition is your solution? Really? Do you want to make the situation worse than it currently is and go back to how things were in 2015? It's not entirely about losing an investment. It's relegating a whole system that we've repeatedly been told costs a lot of money to run and operate to the backseat. A company will not take that L. Especially not a Japanese company that has a track record of doubling down on every occasion.

By the way, you have never addressed the following statement you've made:

Because, being Japanese, they expect people to follow the letter of the rules, the spirit of the rules, be considerate of others, and not try to game the system. For the great percent of people on JP servers, this is exactly how they behave. Things are different in NA, and in general, the West, where more people will find any loophole they can to get what they want even at the expense of others. This is a fundamental difference between Japanese and Western cultures; Japan is very communally-oriented whereas the West is heavily individual-oriented. There are similar trends on the Elemental DC, though to a much lesser extent than NA/EU/OCE, and wouldn't you know it, Elemental's where the vast majority of non-Japanese players from that side of the world play/played prior to Materia opening.

Right, we shouldn't make apartments better because the lucky 10% (or less) of the players who managed to get a house might feel bad about it, even though they are also completely free to avail of an improved apartment on top of already having a house.

Starting to think the inability to think critically is something that plagues Balmung players. 0 out of 2 in this very thread so far! I've never stated that apartments shouldn't be "better". There's always room for improvement, but how do you do so without impeding on houses? The advantages and disadvantages are very well balanced between houses and apartments at the moment. You want something that's the same size as the original small houses for a fraction of the price and has the benefit of being permanent? You buy an apartment.

[Amenara]

Where is my complaint? All I'm saying is that you people ask for all sorts of things without ever thinking about how it might affect other portions of the game. So you're right, my non-existing complaint is a non-issue given that I don't have a complaint to begin with. Sure, you're not advocating for their removal, but that's precisely the point you're failing to understand. I'm repeating myself, but you can't have a permanent system working alongside one that isn't when both are nearly identical in other aspects while also expecting the whole thing to just work without tossing a bone to the players who are tied to a subscription. What do you do with the partially empty wards when most personal houses would be traded for an apartment? How do you bonify houses to prevent a mass exodus?

I have 0 concerns about houses being demolished. If it came down to me, I'd nuke all personal housing due to its inferiority and its contribution to the problem since its introduction and hand over free apartments to whoever wants one. Provide generous incentives to Free Companies to either relocate or demolish their estate in order to shrink the amount of wards and call it a day.

You are delusional if you believe Square Enix will gladly accept to make the housing wards irrelevant in favor of apartments. Don't believe me? When was the last time apartments were upgraded?

I'm not delusional to think they will do anything because they won't do anything to fix housing. Housing and Apartments aren't a one or another situation. If apartments get upgraded, great, you can own one as well and still keep your house. I think you are overblowing how many people will be mad and torching the forums when they add a real option to the large portion of the playerbase who has no real ability to get a house because of SE's artificially imposed supply limitations. They created an issue years ago when they decided on wards and then continued to double down on them instead of accepting they are wrong and fixing the core issue. If your concern is permanency then get rid of demolitions with the addition of apartment expansions. Now players with houses can keep their house permanently and still have access to their new system. Do I think that is the right answer? No, I think that they need to announce many months in advance when they are going to resume demolitions as well as increase the timer from 45 days to maybe 6 months or a year. That way players that take a break can feel ok with that and players that legitimately quit will eventually lose the house.


This reminds me of all the blowback from people saying it wasn't fair that a whole bunch of players got their houses for free from the first lottery, their argument was that the players that won and got their house immediately didn't have to wait a month to get their house. Why do we need to give even more perks to players that have had access to a system that a whole lot haven't had if SE decides to finally give parity to everyone's subscription and allow everyone the ability to have access to the full housing system via apartments.

[Yshtola_Cat]

I'm not delusional to think they will do anything because they won't do anything to fix housing.

I was actually gonna write you a lengthy reply, but after second reading, I noticed I didn't have to because of the above. So great, you have nothing to offer to this conversation. Pretty short-sighted and dare I say, ignorant, of you to even suggest they get rid of auto-demolition. It really goes to demonstrate that you are new to this game because otherwise, you would know what happened when auto-demolition was not around. Do me a favor and do some research on here. Come back when you've come to your senses.

Who's next?

[Amenara]

I was actually gonna write you a lengthy reply, but after second reading, I noticed I didn't have to because of the above. So great, you have nothing to offer to this conversation. Pretty short-sighted and dare I say, ignorant, of you to even suggest they get rid of auto-demolition. It really goes to demonstrate that you are new to this game because otherwise, you would know what happened when auto-demolition was not around. Do me a favor and do some research on here. Come back when you've come to your senses.

Who's next?

If your concern is permanency then get rid of demolitions with the addition of apartment expansions. Now players with houses can keep their house permanently and still have access to their new system. Do I think that is the right answer? No, I think that they need to announce many months in advance when they are going to resume demolitions as well as increase the timer from 45 days to maybe 6 months or a year. That way players that take a break can feel ok with that and players that legitimately quit will eventually lose the house.

It's really fun when you say I didn't read what you said then you do the exact same then belittle my opinion and make yourself look like an entitled troll. K.