Current Problem Parallels

[Kuritzkale]

as someone who didnt play WoW .. stop bringing this WoW stuff here . thank you .

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

[anhaato]

So you're asking me to flip through 500+ pages of another thread to get my answer and scroll through an alarming amount of people being hostile and toxic to each other.. When you could've just explained it in blunt terms in half the time and with much less of a headache? This thread alone, simply by looking at the last few pages turn from actual conversation and discussion into just attacking each other.

Sure am. Listen, the topic of msq criticism is a lot deeper than can be summed up into a singular post. You'll get a much better understanding of why people dislike it if you take a look at the discourse that surrounds it. And once again I urge you to look past the petty squabbles because there ARE good points in there. Once again, you seem eager to discard criticism because it's not in a form you deem acceptable.

And no, it's not a misunderstanding. The OP pointed out Job Imbalance. Using "imbalance" instead of "design" alludes to their effectiveness in actual gameplay. Its skills and capabilities. Hence the stance. But here you are, changing the word to "design" and acting as if that was the original conversation when it wasn't. I'm not "mischaracterizing", I'm responding to the OP.

If it's about what op specifically was saying, they made it clear they were referring to pvp. That's a much different topic than that in which you would discuss the difference in dps numbers; numerous jobs in pvp are beyond overtuned with how they can completely disable numbers of people with status effects and demolish them with damage. But as far as pve goes, you'll find the general consensus to be based around playstyle. That's why there's so many threads complaining about healers.

When I ask in a polite manner "Why do you feel this way" it's usually met with being told why. Not "go read it elsewhere." I will admit, not a fan of the attitude. But I suppose if you have posted it plenty of times in the past, it's only logical to say "go here" instead of posting it yet another time. But your assumption that people (me specifically) would look through other threads to get one statement that could be taken out of context (or the context outright unknown, due to posts prior to it) is kind of off-putting.

It's not realistic to expect that regarding a subject that's as complicated for people as the msq is. It can't be easily summed up in a single post without being severely abridged and a poor representation of what's trying to be said.

And lastly, I'm not asking you to explain it in a way that's easily rebuttable. I'm simply asking you to state your case. How you state it is entirely up to you and if you think it's not a good enough case, thats a you problem. And yes, actually. I can claim "echo chamber". People have done it before and merely mentioning the fact that it could potentially BE an Echo-chamber should make people either realize, or look back and reflect. To make sure that it's actually a discussion. Not just an army of Yes-men.

We're not on trial, no one is obligated to do that for you. I'm telling you that you're better off finding out by peering through other threads, including this one where there's been a certain degree of discourse already. You can even see it starting on the very first page of the thread. The fact that you won't look through even this one is telling me that you're unwilling to read and learn, and prefer to lean back onto complaints that people are fighting. Even if people are fighting over it and being immature, they're still expressing their opinions.

[Kenky]

Job imbalance? The same thing. The current pvp situations with the constant flux? Same thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But the "The same thing" on both ends of that? Means it's two different things. But good try!

And no. The fact that I "wont look through" is not testament that I am unwilling to read and learn. But rather I am unwilling to play connect-the-dots between posts of people being horrible to each other. Something that could be avoided if you gave your end, but once again, you resort to being an annoyance, rather than try to get back on topic. So I think it's safe to say the "You want to go back to hating on Lalafells" was the correct choice.

To that end, the "what do you think about Endwalker is bad?" question was answered in a whole myriad of ways, including but not limited to:
-Bad story
-Bad skills for <insert class here>
-Lackluster ending
-Challenging fights (usually seen with Zodiark on day 1 and Endsinger respectively)

All of these are hard to truly discuss, as 3 out of 4 of the examples I gave are all based on personal interpretation and opinion. One person may like Lord of the Flies, while another hates it. Neither party is wrong. Just a matter of taste. The 4th (that's the Challenging part, fyi!) is something that can be discussed, but people shoo it away with "Just get better" or "Just do the mechanics" cop-out answers. Nothing really concrete. Once again, people deciding to be hostile to each other, rather than helpful. Something that is becoming quite the trend.

Good to see some people continue to look for a fight, even when there isn't one to be had. Real stellar community-merging there.

[anhaato]

Then maybe they’re referring to the issues with, idk, apparently mach’s numbers are really low compared to the others within its role. Stuff like that. I don’t pay much attention to that so don’t take my word on it.

Everything else… idk what to tell you man. Deal with it? People have different opinions and express them differently. To that end, you’ll have to get used to not discarding said opinions because people are mean to each other. It’s not any harder to understand, I promise you. I’m not sure why you insist it is when most arguments follow the format of; “I think that (opinion).” “Oh yeah well I think that (opinion)!” Maybe they’re not the most mature about it but you still found two differing opinions quite easily, and often the reasoning behind them as well.

[Ivtrix]

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

As someone who played wow extensively, watching the developers make the similar mistakes is heartbreaking.

Watching players snub criticism because they cant stand to hear about wow is even worse.

[EagleDynamics]

Hey guys, game is fine, no changes needed. Yoshi-P keep on keeping on.

If you don't like it cry/quit/runback2wow/leave YOSHI-P ALONE

Where's my island sanctuary?

lol i cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

[Raoabolic]

After reading this thread all I can say is: Wow, not only do they defend a company for free they also pay a monthly sub for it! Can't get too upset at people seeing the warning signs, what with the panda- ah, Loporrits and what not. ;^)

[Catwho]

It's interesting because the only place I ever see criticism about the story is here on the official forums and on the Shitpost XIV subreddit.

I'm sure it's got to be in other places out there on the internet, but most of the social media places that devote more than a paragraph to any given story or lore discussion are overall quite satisfied with how things played out. (That includes most Twitter threads.)

Here, out of the hundreds of thousands of XIV players, there are only a few hundred, but a vastly higher concentrated source of negativity.

The housing crisis debacle is a quagmire of SE's own making, but the introduction of the lottery system is a result of their listening to feedback from the players, who begged for that system so we could stop fighting against click bots.

[kpxmanifesto]

It's interesting because the only place I ever see criticism about the story is here on the official forums and on the Shitpost XIV subreddit.

It's here on the official forums because criticism can't be deleted or downvoted to oblivion like on the FFXIV subreddit.

[Midareyukki]

It's interesting because the only place I ever see criticism about the story is here on the official forums and on the Shitpost XIV subreddit.

I'm sure it's got to be in other places out there on the internet, but most of the social media places that devote more than a paragraph to any given story or lore discussion are overall quite satisfied with how things played out. (That includes most Twitter threads.)

Here, out of the hundreds of thousands of XIV players, there are only a few hundred, but a vastly higher concentrated source of negativity.

The housing crisis debacle is a quagmire of SE's own making, but the introduction of the lottery system is a result of their listening to feedback from the players, who begged for that system so we could stop fighting against click bots.

Because like the above comment said, it gets deleted elsewhere, the only other major platform we have is Reddit...

And also because the dev team already said they don't look into Reddit to begin with and instead look at their own official forums.

Because yes, let's all complain elsewhere the devs won't look at nor have any direct affiliation with Square Enix.

Think, player, think!!!