Current Problem Parallels

[ForctyusGold]

As a longtime WoW vet, like really long time, there's honestly a lot of issues in Endwalker, and the response seriously parallels the reasons WoW declined like it did.

The housing debacle which managed to satisfy only a tiny percent of the population?
There should be outrage over it, and we should hold them to a higher standard.

Job imbalance? The same thing. The current pvp situations with the constant flux? Same thing.

This isn't to complain about them in particular, but to the overall response we're seeing.

As it currently stands, any kind of player unhappiness or wanting to ask the dev team to be held to a higher standard is met by the community with one of a few things:
"If you don't like it then quit"
"I'm happy so I don't care"
"You can't expect the devs to solve this problem"

These kind of responses are what slowly sent WoW into an uncontrolled death spiral.
As issues that needed addressing popped up, the community would take to the forums, and complain and try to get the game to reverse course.

It was met with fierce resistance every single time. Getting told to shut up, or to quit, or to find a new game, etc etc.

We are seeing the exact same thing currently happening right now on FFXIV.

EW has had some absolutely serious mis-steps. But by far and large the community has absolutely demanded that there be zero criticism ever because one time Yoshi-P cried on camera or something.

The fact that there is an entire army waiting to bludgeon even the most honest and valid of complaints and concerns is the telltale sign that FFXIV is entering into it's decline period. Much like WoW did. It's not going to magically be a bad game tomorrow like people think. It's going to be a very slow, very gradual process, where one bad mistake after the other is added. People will try to say something, because they love the game, only to be met by a community who will take every single opportunity to be hostile and will defend every single bad decision like a matter of personal honor.

What happens is a slow spiral of people starting to leave, feeling like they no longer have a voice in the game they love.

The mistakes made in Endwalker point to a strong shift in ethic when it comes to what the team is putting out. This is by far and beyond the most divisive of the expansions. People can point to SB but that was mostly due to story and pacing. EW suffers from a lot of bad decisions people complained about early, that still weren't addressed.

It's that level of hubris that brought WoW down.

as someone who didnt play WoW .. stop bringing this WoW stuff here . thank you .

[Kuritzkale]

as someone who didnt play WoW .. stop bringing this WoW stuff here . thank you .

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

[Ivtrix]

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

As someone who played wow extensively, watching the developers make the similar mistakes is heartbreaking.

Watching players snub criticism because they cant stand to hear about wow is even worse.