Current Problem Parallels

[Adamantini]

snit

Finally someone coherent to talk to.

Yes, I intentionally asked several questions, some even memes, to see how far the "it's bad for you because you didn't read the story" argument would go. My point was to prove that most people cannot talk with facts.

Yes, it's true that there would be no proof, but to say that she wouldn't get at least a few followers is also to deny that nowadays there are people who believe everything they read on the internet.
She had a tracker in Meteion, so I believe in the power of the ancestors to see an iota of sense in what she was saying. If not most, some.
The problem here is that Hermes had already been defeated in combat by us, he was at a disadvantage, and Venat could have called in more dogs and gotten everyone out of there before the wipe. Hyth had a bow, but preferred to wait for Hermes to configure the memory shift system. This story could have ended in Elpis.

It makes sense about what you said about Meteion. Really if she destroyed that one, the others would be left. As for Zoldiark, I really wish they had given more time to this character itself. In the end, we don't even see him in action, it's like he's a shell.
However, it's still weird to say that Hydaelin's plan, if all goes wrong, would be to take us to the moon. Meteion could easily destroy the moon. If not by Dynamis, by brute force. The place was not prepared to receive people, I doubt it would have prepared for an attack of that origin.

What I mean here is that they got the timing wrong. Drama stories, funny points, cute points... this could have been addressed at the beginning of the expansion, and after that, make us pay attention to the catastrophe. There could be "breath" points in urgency (one joke here, one cuteness there), but not too long, as they were made. History has become a nest of ideas, where we start from the point that the world is ending, but eating carrots with rabbits is more important.
You could skip the entire expansion if you wanted, but the only quest that was unmissable was the tataru shop. I know I laughed when endgamers said that not being able to skip this quest was getting in the way of world first, but why was this quest so important for that to happen?
The point here, in a nutshell, is that they didn't know how to dose things. Erase the whole story, and just put the timeline of events, that's what I'm talking about.

Edit: about loose ends, I partially agree. Something punctual and intriguing, it can even be left as a basis for theories, but depending on how it's done, it sounds like not even the writer knew what he was doing.

[PawPaw]

Yes, it's true that there would be no proof, but to say that she wouldn't get at least a few followers is also to deny that nowadays there are people who believe everything they read on the internet.
She had a tracker in Meteion, so I believe in the power of the ancestors to see an iota of sense in what she was saying. If not most, some.
The problem here is that Hermes had already been defeated in combat by us, he was at a disadvantage, and Venat could have called in more dogs and gotten everyone out of there before the wipe. Hyth had a bow, but preferred to wait for Hermes to configure the memory shift system. This story could have ended in Elpis.

No...not true. You don't need proof when the Echo exists, everyone there has the ability to utilize it and this scene happens very shortly before we enter Ktsis Hyperboreia.



Using "well no one would believe her!" as an excuse doesn't hold up. Especially when the writers themselves show us how easy it is for them to see the truth for themselves.

[Adamantini]

No...not true. You don't need proof when the Echo exists, everyone there has the ability to utilize it and this scene happens very shortly before we enter Ktsis Hyperboreia.
Using "well no one would believe her!" as an excuse doesn't hold up. Especially when the writers themselves show us how easy it is for them to see the truth for themselves.

I believe what he meant is that even with facts some people don't want to see it, and I agree with that. Emet Selch, in all his wisdom and power, prefers to act like a grumpy child when we present facts that we came from the future.

[PawPaw]

I believe what he meant is that even with facts some people don't want to see it, and I agree with that. Emet Selch, in all his wisdom and power, prefers to act like a grumpy child when we present facts that we came from the future.

Except he has his gut reaction and then comes back a little while later saying that even if he doesn't believe us, the investigation is worth doing for the sake of their star. There is no logical reason to believe that the rest of the Convocation, even if skeptical at first as they most likely would be, would be opposed to looking into it more deeply just to be absolutely sure they weren't putting their world at risk by being stubborn. And there would have been plenty of information for them to review in Elpis, including witnessing Hermes' breakdown.

[Adamantini]

Except he has his gut reaction and then comes back a little while later saying that even if he doesn't believe us, the investigation is worth doing for the sake of their star. There is no logical reason to believe that the rest of the Convocation, even if skeptical at first as they most likely would be, would be opposed to looking into it more deeply just to be absolutely sure they weren't putting their world at risk by being stubborn. And there would have been plenty of information for them to review in Elpis, including witnessing Hermes' breakdown.

Because of that I said that I believe in the power of the ancestors, of being able to see, through the Hydaelin's tracker (at least), that she would be right. Eu também acho que é impossível que o sistema de limpeza mental não registre quando foi usado.