Current Problem Parallels

[ForctyusGold]

As a longtime WoW vet, like really long time, there's honestly a lot of issues in Endwalker, and the response seriously parallels the reasons WoW declined like it did.

The housing debacle which managed to satisfy only a tiny percent of the population?
There should be outrage over it, and we should hold them to a higher standard.

Job imbalance? The same thing. The current pvp situations with the constant flux? Same thing.

This isn't to complain about them in particular, but to the overall response we're seeing.

As it currently stands, any kind of player unhappiness or wanting to ask the dev team to be held to a higher standard is met by the community with one of a few things:
"If you don't like it then quit"
"I'm happy so I don't care"
"You can't expect the devs to solve this problem"

These kind of responses are what slowly sent WoW into an uncontrolled death spiral.
As issues that needed addressing popped up, the community would take to the forums, and complain and try to get the game to reverse course.

It was met with fierce resistance every single time. Getting told to shut up, or to quit, or to find a new game, etc etc.

We are seeing the exact same thing currently happening right now on FFXIV.

EW has had some absolutely serious mis-steps. But by far and large the community has absolutely demanded that there be zero criticism ever because one time Yoshi-P cried on camera or something.

The fact that there is an entire army waiting to bludgeon even the most honest and valid of complaints and concerns is the telltale sign that FFXIV is entering into it's decline period. Much like WoW did. It's not going to magically be a bad game tomorrow like people think. It's going to be a very slow, very gradual process, where one bad mistake after the other is added. People will try to say something, because they love the game, only to be met by a community who will take every single opportunity to be hostile and will defend every single bad decision like a matter of personal honor.

What happens is a slow spiral of people starting to leave, feeling like they no longer have a voice in the game they love.

The mistakes made in Endwalker point to a strong shift in ethic when it comes to what the team is putting out. This is by far and beyond the most divisive of the expansions. People can point to SB but that was mostly due to story and pacing. EW suffers from a lot of bad decisions people complained about early, that still weren't addressed.

It's that level of hubris that brought WoW down.

as someone who didnt play WoW .. stop bringing this WoW stuff here . thank you .

[Kuritzkale]

as someone who didnt play WoW .. stop bringing this WoW stuff here . thank you .

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

[Ivtrix]

As someone who didn't play WoW you should be happily listening to anybody with experience telling you they have been through this kind of thing with a game before and recognize the signs. It is completely reasonable to compare similar issues two games face from the same genre. Why are you even upset? The mere mention of big bad World of Warcraft sends shivers down your spine or something?

As someone who played wow extensively, watching the developers make the similar mistakes is heartbreaking.

Watching players snub criticism because they cant stand to hear about wow is even worse.

[Kenky]

Job imbalance? The same thing. The current pvp situations with the constant flux? Same thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But the "The same thing" on both ends of that? Means it's two different things. But good try!

And no. The fact that I "wont look through" is not testament that I am unwilling to read and learn. But rather I am unwilling to play connect-the-dots between posts of people being horrible to each other. Something that could be avoided if you gave your end, but once again, you resort to being an annoyance, rather than try to get back on topic. So I think it's safe to say the "You want to go back to hating on Lalafells" was the correct choice.

To that end, the "what do you think about Endwalker is bad?" question was answered in a whole myriad of ways, including but not limited to:
-Bad story
-Bad skills for <insert class here>
-Lackluster ending
-Challenging fights (usually seen with Zodiark on day 1 and Endsinger respectively)

All of these are hard to truly discuss, as 3 out of 4 of the examples I gave are all based on personal interpretation and opinion. One person may like Lord of the Flies, while another hates it. Neither party is wrong. Just a matter of taste. The 4th (that's the Challenging part, fyi!) is something that can be discussed, but people shoo it away with "Just get better" or "Just do the mechanics" cop-out answers. Nothing really concrete. Once again, people deciding to be hostile to each other, rather than helpful. Something that is becoming quite the trend.

Good to see some people continue to look for a fight, even when there isn't one to be had. Real stellar community-merging there.

[anhaato]

Then maybe they’re referring to the issues with, idk, apparently mach’s numbers are really low compared to the others within its role. Stuff like that. I don’t pay much attention to that so don’t take my word on it.

Everything else… idk what to tell you man. Deal with it? People have different opinions and express them differently. To that end, you’ll have to get used to not discarding said opinions because people are mean to each other. It’s not any harder to understand, I promise you. I’m not sure why you insist it is when most arguments follow the format of; “I think that (opinion).” “Oh yeah well I think that (opinion)!” Maybe they’re not the most mature about it but you still found two differing opinions quite easily, and often the reasoning behind them as well.

[Raoabolic]

After reading this thread all I can say is: Wow, not only do they defend a company for free they also pay a monthly sub for it! Can't get too upset at people seeing the warning signs, what with the panda- ah, Loporrits and what not. ;^)

[VelKallor]

what with the panda- ah, Loporrits and what not. ;^)

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the loporrits are NOT new at all. You might want to take a look at previous FF games.

To wit:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Loporrit#History

Loporrits are based on the Hummingways from Final Fantasy IV, being a race of small humanoid rabbits that live on the moon. They most closely resemble the Hummingways' design from the 3D remake version of the game. Some of the Loporrits' names, such as Puddingway and Cheatingway, come from names that Namingway changes his name to in his sidequest in the 3D version. Loporrits also resemble Moogles as they appear in Final Fantasy XII.

Both Hummingways and Loporrits originate from the Japanese folklore of the "Moon rabbit".

Moon rabbit, a legend that interprets the markings on the moon as a rabbit grinding a mortar and pestle, in some interpretations the rabbit is using them to mix medicines. One legend says that the rabbit came to arrive in the moon when it threw itself into a fire to feed a starving man, and the man revived it and took it to the heavens to honor it for its generosity.

They have been part of established lore in the FF universe for a very long time.

You...didnt know?

[Absurdity]

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the loporrits are NOT new at all. You might want to take a look at previous FF games.

I'm not seeing the part where he claimed they were and Pandaren weren't some new invention that came with MoP either, technically. Unless you... "didn't know" and assumed that was his comparison.

[Raoabolic]

I'm not seeing the part where he claimed they were and Pandaren weren't some new invention that came with MoP either, technically. Unless you... "didn't know" and assumed that was his comparison.

Shh... don't let them know. I want to see the surprise on their face when we go full WoW in 8.0, lol.

[Catwho]

It's interesting because the only place I ever see criticism about the story is here on the official forums and on the Shitpost XIV subreddit.

I'm sure it's got to be in other places out there on the internet, but most of the social media places that devote more than a paragraph to any given story or lore discussion are overall quite satisfied with how things played out. (That includes most Twitter threads.)

Here, out of the hundreds of thousands of XIV players, there are only a few hundred, but a vastly higher concentrated source of negativity.

The housing crisis debacle is a quagmire of SE's own making, but the introduction of the lottery system is a result of their listening to feedback from the players, who begged for that system so we could stop fighting against click bots.