message to all crafter/gatherers

[sagacious]

I see lots of crafter/gatherers in the city states and I am asking you to form new FC's and get houses. To be a proper crafter/gatherers you need access to all the mats that can be gathered. You need a garden and you need airships and submarines you cannot call yourself an Omni-crafter if you don't have a house and a garden. You give the FC more credits than they need and you can make your own FC credits without any help I know I've done it and my FC is level 23 in the 6 months I've had the FC formed 1/29/22.

[Vidu]

There is very little materials that you can only get from gardens and even less that you can only get from subs/airships - and in both cases the mats are mainly used for furniture, with some being used for minions. They're absolutly not needed for most crafts and thus not really needed for crafters.

Can they make you a pretty penny? Yeah, sometimes, sure. But they also take a certain amount of investment - building the vessels, maintaining them... that requires upfront crafts. The garden also needs constant maintaince - if you forget to water your (rare) crops daily (or cant water them daily), they'll simply die.

I'm not quite sure what your agenda is here and I wouldnt flat out say that this is bad advice, but its advice that is at least inaccurate and doesnt represent the actual facts - which are: You can craft about 99% of all items in the game without mats that can only bet gotten through housing in some way.

[NekoMataMata]

I'm not quite sure what your agenda is here and I wouldnt flat out say that this is bad advice, but its advice that is at least inaccurate and doesnt represent the actual facts - which are: You can craft about 99% of all items in the game without mats that can only bet gotten through housing in some way.

Even if the advice was solid, it's very strange to see someone telling people to abandon their FCs for any reason at all, even if it might be beneficial to them?

[KurohNeko]

There is very little materials that you can only get from gardens and even less that you can only get from subs/airships - and in both cases the mats are mainly used for furniture, with some being used for minions. They're absolutly not needed for most crafts and thus not really needed for crafters.

Can they make you a pretty penny? Yeah, sometimes, sure. But they also take a certain amount of investment - building the vessels, maintaining them... that requires upfront crafts. The garden also needs constant maintaince - if you forget to water your (rare) crops daily (or cant water them daily), they'll simply die.

I'm not quite sure what your agenda is here and I wouldnt flat out say that this is bad advice, but its advice that is at least inaccurate and doesnt represent the actual facts - which are: You can craft about 99% of all items in the game without mats that can only bet gotten through housing in some way.

Oh you mean the most lucrative items in the game aka rare minions and furnishings that make money and are the entire point of being a crafter? Yeah no, as a level 90 weaver, most the rare shit we make (excluding the few sets of clothes that everyone wears) is related to furnishing aka plushies or minions and guess what a lot of the rare mats for them come from? Housing, and maps. Hell, carpenter is basically THE furnishing and housing class.

[Vidu]

Oh you mean the most lucrative items in the game aka rare minions and furnishings that make money and are the entire point of being a crafter? Yeah no, as a level 90 weaver, most the rare shit we make (excluding the few sets of clothes that everyone wears) is related to furnishing aka plushies or minions and guess what a lot of the rare mats for them come from? Housing, and maps. Hell, carpenter is basically THE furnishing and housing class.

Specifically as a weaver most of the rare materials come from treasure maps, not from housing - actually, I think that only jute and glacenuts that have been in the game for ages and are not that rare/expensive anymore as they sued to be (at least on my server) are of any use to weaver and even then only for a few minions.

When it comes to furniture: It might sell for quite a bit, but because housing is so limited, you have a rather small customer base. I'm not saying that you cant make money through housing, but if I were to give anyone money making advice, I would certainly not recommend furniture and/or relying on random drops.

On top of that: while the new minions and similar things from voyages sell for a lot during the first week or two, the prices usually drop a lot after that. I'm stuffing our FC-chest with meerkats and silver dashers right now, because they dont even seem worth selling (and we're focussing on getting everyone in the FC one before we make money out of them anyways).
I'd say of all the markets the "rare drop one" is one thats most unstable - specially since we dont get frequent updates to voyages. So you might be able to make some side-gil for a month or so and after that you might really wonder if sending the vessels out again is still worth it. I know the big numbers look tempting, but in the long run, crafting gear (even leveling gear!) is probably much more stable.

...and yeah, make sure not to lump housing and treasure maps together - while both involve lots of luck to get the rare drops, maps are actually available to everyone.

[Silverbane]

To be a proper crafter/gatherers you need access to all the mats that can be gathered. You need a garden and you need airships and submarines you cannot call yourself an Omni-crafter if you don't have a house and a garden.

Sure you can: after all, you can be an omni-crafter without even being a gatherer. It's just not as profitable.

That said: two of my characters have all their crafting and gathering classes to 90, and my spouse and our friends run our own FC with a house and garden. But my third character is only leveling crafters, not gatherers, and is doing that with GC turnins crafted by my primary character, because there's no need for me to have three omni-crafter/gatherers, I just want the third character to be able to repair gear and do melds.

(There is some small utility in having two omni-gatherers, for things like the grade 3 soils that are on timed nodes and give only one item per node appearance, but once you've gather from those once, you just send your retainers get the mats. )

[sagacious]

Sure you can: after all, you can be an omni-crafter without even being a gatherer. It's just not as profitable.

That said: two of my characters have all their crafting and gathering classes to 90, and my spouse and our friends run our own FC with a house and garden. But my third character is only leveling crafters, not gatherers, and is doing that with GC turnins crafted by my primary character, because there's no need for me to have three omni-crafter/gatherers, I just want the third character to be able to repair gear and do melds.

(There is some small utility in having two omni-gatherers, for things like the grade 3 soils that are on timed nodes and give only one item per node appearance, but once you've gather from those once, you just send your retainers get the mats. )

A garden provides cross breeding. Crossbreeding provide numerus gill making possibilities so your wrong there.
Thavarian onions is just one example. Crafters need to grow voidrake and Althyk Lavender seeds this will provide an enormous bounty of Items from turn-ins at the apt building or junkmongerers so your wrong again there. Where are you going to get potters stones? how can you make exteriors without a workshop? exteriors at this time garner 10's of millions of gil so your wrong again and again and again. I not advocating the breakage of any FC but I am asking crafter/gatherers to chose themselves over anything for the future of your craft

[Silverbane]

A garden provides cross breeding. Crossbreeding provide numerus gill making possibilities so your wrong there.

No, I'm not wrong about not needing a garden to be an omni-crafter.
I don't craft solely to make gil; why would anyone, when gil flows so readily to anyone who is active?
I have more gil than I know what to do with anyway, even after spending literally millions of gil on rare mats to craft glam items (e.g. a varsity skirt and a boulevardier's ruffled shirt for my fem roe). Glam items for myself and as gifts for friends, not for resale.

I craft and gather partly for convenience, but mainly for the same reason I do anything else in FFXIV: because I simply enjoy it. After all, it's just a game, and enjoying it should be the main reason you play.

[KurohNeko]

No, I'm not wrong about not needing a garden to be an omni-crafter.
I don't craft solely to make gil; why would anyone, when gil flows so readily to anyone who is active?
I have more gil than I know what to do with anyway, even after spending literally millions of gil on rare mats to craft glam items (e.g. a varsity skirt and a boulevardier's ruffled shirt for my fem roe). Glam items for myself and as gifts for friends, not for resale.

I craft and gather partly for convenience, but mainly for the same reason I do anything else in FFXIV: because I simply enjoy it. After all, it's just a game, and enjoying it should be the main reason you play.

You don't know true joy till you grow you some glaze nuts and find that the nuts don't give seeds so you have to repeat the month long process of growing them again to harvest like 4-5 of them. That's why they and Thav onions cost so much. We put a lot of work into growing em.

[Silverbane]

You don't know true joy till you grow you some glaze nuts and find that the nuts don't give seeds so you have to repeat the month long process of growing them again to harvest like 4-5 of them. That's why they and Thav onions cost so much. We put a lot of work into growing em.

My spouse and I grow our own Thav onions. We're intimately familiar with why they cost so much.

Oh you mean the most lucrative items in the game aka rare minions and furnishings that make money and are the entire point of being a crafter?

The entire point of you being a crafter, maybe. But its not why I'm one.
That said, being able to craft my own glam items for way less than the market price for them is pretty enjoyable. And painfully easy, for those of us who remember crafting from back in the ARR days, when progress steps could fail ...