The Ancients still deserved better, after everything

[DPZ2]

You cant find anything because you're looking up the wrong Nier game. The phone game is called NieR Reincarnation, and its recent XIV collab was written by Ishikawa.

An actual reference, complete with Ishikawa's name would be appreciated. There is a Yui Ishikawa mentioned in relation to that particular game -- as a voice actress.

[Rulakir]

An actual reference, complete with Ishikawa's name would be appreciated. There is a Yui Ishikawa mentioned in relation to that particular game -- as a voice actress.

You literally just need to do a search for "nier crossover Ishikawa".

[BaconBits]

An actual reference, complete with Ishikawa's name would be appreciated. There is a Yui Ishikawa mentioned in relation to that particular game -- as a voice actress.

https://www.fanbyte.com/news/an-orig...a-coming-soon/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

https://www.siliconera.com/nier-rein...date-revealed/

https://www.siliconera.com/nier-rein...date-revealed/

[Absimiliard]

Lemme just slide in another link for good measure.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ni.../1100-6503203/

[DPZ2]

https://www.fanbyte.com/news/an-orig...a-coming-soon/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

https://www.siliconera.com/nier-rein...date-revealed/

https://www.siliconera.com/nier-rein...date-revealed/

Thank you.

The first link I found was the voice actress, and most links do not actually Ishikawa listed.

[DPZ2]

You literally just need to do a search for "nier crossover Ishikawa".

Sure. Not. The first through third page links mention a voice actress, not a writer, if they mention Ishikawa at all. Then again, I don't use Google for searches, since the first two pages are typically ads.

You could have provided a single link, but no ... it appears that was too hard for you.

[ZeraSkiratea]

I think those in the other timeline gave in to despair, too. We got the impression their world was pretty bad off. But they looked to the past like the Ancients did. I thought it was rather poetic there that as Middy had come to Etheirys because it meant hope, he was able to become the hope for that timeline and allow them to look to the future again.

Have you ever seen a situation where every is losing it except that one person? They keep things together because they have to. That's our WoL. I think that's part of why the Scions told the world they had disbanded. Time to find their own solutions for once.

As far as the Empty, I don't believe there was any indication in the story there that we were going to harm anything with summoning. We were attempting to kickstart the elements again since they had stagnated due to overexposure to Light. If you're approaching it from the idea of looking into the past, it's not really that. That land can't support life anymore. We weren't restoring it entirely to what it was before. We were making it viable to whatever life grew there from that point onward.

another big difference between the ancients and the ironworks was, the ironworks worked for a "past" they woudl never experience, a world they knew they would NOT profit off, they knew it couldpotentialy lead ot their own end, to being reduced to never haivng existed in the first place

The people who finished the timemachinethingy(not necesserly the people who started it), where, 100% selfless in the regard in that they worked for a world, a future, and a past, they know they could never experience themself.


They doomed potentially millions of not billions of people, but they also doomed themself, they knew it, and they accepted it.


The ancients on the other hand, where willing to doom others(the "new life" whatever that may be) to create benefit for themself
yes they "sacrificed half their numbers" but what, pray tell, was their intention later? to get those souls back, nothing would have been "sacrificed" in the end outside of unwilling, third party "new life"
The ancients acted solely for their own benefit(and as much as that extended to the "star" in their arrogance of being "the shephards of the star")completly intending to reap a reward from their work.
thats the big difference between the ironworks in the eighty umbral, and the Ancients, the end intend of "profit"

[TaleraRistain]

another big difference between the ancients and the ironworks was, the ironworks worked for a "past" they woudl never experience, a world they knew they would NOT profit off, they knew it couldpotentialy lead ot their own end, to being reduced to never haivng existed in the first place

The people who finished the timemachinethingy(not necesserly the people who started it), where, 100% selfless in the regard in that they worked for a world, a future, and a past, they know they could never experience themself.


They doomed potentially millions of not billions of people, but they also doomed themself, they knew it, and they accepted it.


The ancients on the other hand, where willing to doom others(the "new life" whatever that may be) to create benefit for themself
yes they "sacrificed half their numbers" but what, pray tell, was their intention later? to get those souls back, nothing would have been "sacrificed" in the end outside of unwilling, third party "new life"
The ancients acted solely for their own benefit(and as much as that extended to the "star" in their arrogance of being "the shephards of the star")completly intending to reap a reward from their work.
thats the big difference between the ironworks in the eighty umbral, and the Ancients, the end intend of "profit"

Yep I've made a similar point in other threads. The 8UC timeline was going to feel a personal consequence. They were creating an unknown future and they just had to hope it was better. And they knew it could have grave consequences not just for others but for themselves.

For the Ancients who wanted to bring back those lost, what was their personal consequence?

[PawPaw]

Sure. Not. The first through third page links mention a voice actress, not a writer, if they mention Ishikawa at all. Then again, I don't use Google for searches, since the first two pages are typically ads.

You could have provided a single link, but no ... it appears that was too hard for you.

What's the point of claiming something that is so easily disproven? I don't even have to click these links (found by copying and pasting "nier crossover Ishikawa" into Google and looking at the first few entries) to see that Natsuko Ishikawa, writer of Shadowbringers, wrote a crossover event for Nier: Reincarnation.

[KizuyaKatogami]

another big difference between the ancients and the ironworks was, the ironworks worked for a "past" they woudl never experience, a world they knew they would NOT profit off, they knew it couldpotentialy lead ot their own end, to being reduced to never haivng existed in the first place

The people who finished the timemachinethingy(not necesserly the people who started it), where, 100% selfless in the regard in that they worked for a world, a future, and a past, they know they could never experience themself.


They doomed potentially millions of not billions of people, but they also doomed themself, they knew it, and they accepted it.


The ancients on the other hand, where willing to doom others(the "new life" whatever that may be) to create benefit for themself
yes they "sacrificed half their numbers" but what, pray tell, was their intention later? to get those souls back, nothing would have been "sacrificed" in the end outside of unwilling, third party "new life"
The ancients acted solely for their own benefit(and as much as that extended to the "star" in their arrogance of being "the shephards of the star")completly intending to reap a reward from their work.
thats the big difference between the ironworks in the eighty umbral, and the Ancients, the end intend of "profit"

The new life could be plants and animals for all we know. Youre going to say the ancients were wrong for sacrificing them for actual people? Because in that case i guess the WoL is wrong for summoning primals in eden just to kill them and restore the empty. Or Yshtola is wrong for summoning nixies just to send them into the void and let them be killed etc.