We need a Greatsword Dps Class!!!

[Bloodthrone]

We have enough sword jobs. Let's get some more interesting weapons.

I do see what you are saying and somewhat agree but swords have always been the signature weapon type for the ff series so not having anymore sword based classes seems very off putting.

[Bloodthrone]

Do we need another melee so soon? It's the most saturated sub-role. With the advent of old SMN (as well as the dev team being too stubborn to return SCH to its former glory) the game lacks a proper venomancer/DoT mage. Whether it be Puppetmaster, Warlock, Shaman, Geomancer etc. I don't really care, I just would like a new Caster job that isn't half melee (RDM) or has less casts than SAM (SMN).

Im not expecting them to put out a new melee dps right away nor will they, Im just hoping they will put out a greatsword dps one day.

[CKNovel]

I do see what you are saying and somewhat agree but swords have always been the signature weapon type for the ff series so not having anymore sword based classes seems very off putting.

Not always, Zidane didn't used sword but daggers as signature weapon.
"Thieves swords" were used as dual swords and would be welcome in XIV.

Swords are omnipresent and they are well represented in XIV with 5 based job.

You can't put a name and identity on Bartz (V), Luneth/Onion Knight (III) and Firion (II, but maybe "vampire" based on dissidia?).
The closest to Terra would be Red Mage, sword and magic.

Plus, the Author of the thread was specifically asking for Greatsword. Except we already have Dark knight for it.

[Bloodthrone]

Not always, Zidane didn't used sword but daggers as signature weapon.
"Thieves swords" were used as dual swords and would be welcome in XIV.

Swords are omnipresent and they are well represented in XIV with 5 based job.

You can't put a name and identity on Bartz (V), Luneth/Onion Knight (III) and Firion (II, but maybe "vampire" based on dissidia?).
The closest to Terra would be Red Mage, sword and magic.

Plus, the Author of the thread was specifically asking for Greatsword. Except we already have Dark knight for it.

But why deny potential new classes and jobs solely because of the weapon type? Doesn't that seem a little short sighted and lacking in the imagination department?

[Enkidoh]

But why deny potential new classes and jobs solely because of the weapon type? Doesn't that seem a little short sighted and lacking in the imagination department?

Except that's the whole point of the Armoury System - class/Job revolves explicitly around weapon type being that class's very identity and there usually isn't any weapon crossover between classes - why else are the class/Job icons usually depict the weapon it uses after all? (There are couple of minor exceptions to that though, usually prior to a class being implemented, such as Edda's scythes being given to various classes as diverse as CNJ/WHM long before RPR was added, but those are unique exceptions to the rule and are not indicative of new classes being added).

Another thing to remember about wanting Jobs from other FF games to appear is, they may not always fit FFXIV's gameplay as a single player game and a MMORPG have different design paradigms (like Mime for instance would be completely useless here in FFXIV, but is an interesting gimmic Job in certain single player FF games like FF Tactics). Many Jobs that do not literally appear by name here in FFXIV also may actually exist anyway in another form in that their ideas/weapons/abilities have been rolled into other Jobs, like elements of Berserker for instance have been given to WAR, and that AST is pretty much Time Mage in all but name.

As for your 'great sword DPS' idea, DRK is already the 'great sword' user in the game, so I am pretty confident to say that you will not see a DPS-specific variation I'm afraid (after all, DRK's victory pose is literally Cloud's victory pose from FFVII, so that pretty much underlines that you will not see Cloud's Soldier/Mystic Knight 'class' appearing here I'm sorry to say).

I have eaten my words about new Jobs in the past though (aka, RPR, GNB), so... may I be proven wrong! :P

[CKNovel]

But why deny potential new classes and jobs solely because of the weapon type? Doesn't that seem a little short sighted and lacking in the imagination department?

See it the other way around. Be creative with weapons.
All jobs could use swords, that would be lacking in the imagination department as well.
I mean Sage could've used staves, right? Instead they came up with Nouliths that are a Sage signature.

On top of that, XIV is essentially "Weapon = job", the only exception being SCH and SMN due to Arcanist and they admitted it being an error.

There are cases I would agree, for example the Bow being limited to BRD while it's a common weapon for Hunter/Ranger.
Spear&Shield could make an interesting sentinel job.

But we have more weapon types than possible jobs and that excludes imaginary weapons such as Gunblade, Globe and Nouliths.
Imagine what jobs could come out with weapons such as Mace, Hammer, Double sword, Cross bow, Whip, Lantern and many others?

At most, I think SQEX should propose different job animation&visual effect to fit one's fantasy about said job.

[Tsiron]

Although I share OP's desire for such a DPS, ultimately I have to concede that, yeah, there's no way it's happening at this point, between PLD, DRK, GNB, RDM and SAM all having their own flavour of "Sword" it's what prompted my making this thread lol. At most, we may yet get a dual wielding Job based on FFXII's Judges, but that's neither here nor there.

[ThorneDynasty]

I do see what you are saying and somewhat agree but swords have always been the signature weapon type for the ff series so not having anymore sword based classes seems very off putting.

Why would other games without the job triangle mean the tank jobs getting swords "don't count" in this one? Pretty much all of the FF games with a job system at least give the big swords mostly to the tanky-aesthetic jobs.

[Lihtleita]

we have 6 flavours of swords already

[EdwinLi]

Not always, Zidane didn't used sword but daggers as signature weapon.
"Thieves swords" were used as dual swords and would be welcome in XIV.

Swords are omnipresent and they are well represented in XIV with 5 based job.

You can't put a name and identity on Bartz (V), Luneth/Onion Knight (III) and Firion (II, but maybe "vampire" based on dissidia?).
The closest to Terra would be Red Mage, sword and magic.

Plus, the Author of the thread was specifically asking for Greatsword. Except we already have Dark knight for it.

Depend on the variation of that sword still.

We actually do have one more type of Sword Job that is not used yet from the FF series in FF14 being the Spellblade Magic user sword job. This is the Mystic Knight job we all know in FF series.

One of the Iconic jobs in FF series involving the Job magically enhancing all their sword attacks with magic to perform melee range attacks such as Firaga Blade, Death Blade, Drain Blade, and etc for pure melee combat with a magic infused sword.

What sword they can use will still depend on SE developer's choice but Rune Blade is the iconic Magic two-handed sword type weapon which focus more on magic use over physical attacks due to infusing magic runes into the sword in fantasy theme stories so there is still this version of a two-handed sword weapon.

With the right design choices, the Rune Blade can become the weapon of choice for Mystic Knight Job.

we have 6 flavours of swords already

that is expected in any fantasy theme games. I already commented a off-topic reason why this is so common in fantasy games already earlier about this kind of issue with being creative with new Jobs.

Swords are just far too iconic to a point that most fantasy theme games just can't establish jobs solid enough to be loved beyond Swords which I do blame the conditioning we all go through growing up with how almost majoirty of fantasy theme games, books, movies, shows, and etc we read and watch always give the Hero and Villain a Sword as their iconic weapon and tend to make the strongest weapon in these settings a Sword. The Sword job just becomes the most used/popular job in the game due to this conditioning.

Heck majority of FF games has their Main Character be a sword user and even the upcoming FF16 Main character is another sword user. Only FF9 had the main character not a sword user being Zidane who use dagger weapons. Every other FF game has their Main Character use a Job with a certain variation of a Sword weapon. The Derplander actually started out with the Gladiator class during the FF14 1.0 cinematic (he switch to archer in the echo vision but outside of the vision he was a Gladiator as seen by his Tank gear and sword behind his back when he set out on his adventure with his two companions).


on a personal level, I prefer a more assassin style character as long it fits the bill of a assassin but Assassin theme jobs tend to fall under Daggers or sword style weapons which are both taken already unless they try for a special variation of these weapons. Ninja sadly did not in FF14 as each expansion update it started moving aware from its Assassin theme skills it started with as a Rogue to focus more on being pure Ninja with the job replacing all Assassin Job related skills to Ninja Job theme skills. Atleast with this shift, it opens room for them to make a actual dedicated Assassin Job though uncertain what kind of weapon they may choose.