I don't understand how people make so much Gil in this game

[YukikoKurosawa]

I will say straight up I do not have any crafters/gatherers capped, leveled partially but not capped. My 1 retainer is only 57 so she brings back little of value.

Still, even considering crafting I do not understand how some people have 50-100million + gil, enough to afford a mansion, or even a medium. Spending a few weeks doing my roulettes + spending tomestones + wondrous tales has barely netted me 5 mil. At the rate I'm going I would need to spend nearly a year. How in everliving hell do people 50 several tens / hundreds of millions make their gil? This is insane. I don't believe crafting is really that profitable alone. Surely there's some shady secret here that nobody is openly disclosing since I cannot get a clear answer from anyone as to this question so I assume it is via shady means, since this game gives you no clear options to make heft sums of gil in a reasonable amount of time.

As it stands roulettes absolutely suck for gil and feels like everything combined is barely worth the effort, to the point where I've started to not even consistently do roulettes outside of leveling the one remaining job I haven't yet capped because I just do not care for the measly amount of gil I get it's that utter dogshit. I've reasoned that at the rate I'm accumulating (and I dont even spend my gil save for repairs) it's hardly worth the time and effort other than for exp (which also sucks) or just to do the content which is my primary reason at this point. Gil making just sucks so bad so I don't see how people make so much gil unless they're resorting to shady means.

[Yshtola_Cat]

ARR/HW rich

[YukikoKurosawa]

I'd love if this community would actually clearly explain things to someone unfamiliar rather than layer everything under 50 different secret metas that someone just playing the game normally would never know about. This community operates like a giant fucking clique. It's why I don't interact with anyone ingame outside of my FC. The most absolutely impenetrable community I have ever encountered.

ARR/HW rich

I mused the possibility that people have been hoarding wealth for years but I have seen people go from new player to tens of millions in a short span of time so something is going on. There is information that I am not privy to which people are unwilling to explain.

[Arrhin]

I'd love if this community would actually clearly explain things to someone unfamiliar rather than layer everything under 50 different secret metas that someone just playing the game normally would never know about. This community operates like a giant fucking clique. It's why I don't interact with anyone ingame outside of my FC. The most absolutely impenetrable community I have ever encountered.



I mused the possibility that people have been hoarding wealth for years but I have seen people go from new player to tens of millions in a short span of time so something is going on. There is information that I am not privy to which people are unwilling to explain.

This is one of the most open game communities anywhere, it's just that you're asking an oft asked question that people are tired of answering. Also consider how long this game has been online, there is so much to know, and much of it has changed each expansion. ANYWAYS. You want Gil? Crafting leves, highest level. Use these as a baseline, as it is Market Board agnostic, then sell pretty much anything that is not useful to you I guess, and spend as little as possible. One can get a decent amount of Gil selling that stuff but if you wanna drown in it...Crafting and Gathering.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd love if this community would actually clearly explain things to someone unfamiliar rather than layer everything under 50 different secret metas that someone just playing the game normally would never know about. This community operates like a giant fucking clique. It's why I don't interact with anyone ingame outside of my FC. The most absolutely impenetrable community I have ever encountered.

Ranting at the community is the worst way to get the community to help you. There's basically no "get rich quick" secret right now, but there are a few methods.

-RMT. Let's be real, this is a thing. There is a reason bots have been rampant for years, they have enough customers to sustain the business. A good number of players are simply buying gil.
-Crafting and Gathering. This is viable but it's a LOT of work to make tens of millions compared to a few years ago.
-Treasure Maps in small groups. Again, a LOT of work for huge sums of gil, but viable.
-Playing the market, buying and reselling. Requires good knowledge of the economy and what you're doing. Not viable for most players.
-Old wealth. Back in ARR to Stormblood crafting took effort to level and gear, but if you made that effort you could earn billions from that point onward.

That's really it. There are other niches, but none of them are faster than crafting/gathering. There is no other secret gil method.

[Yshtola_Cat]

I mused the possibility that people have been hoarding wealth for years but I have seen people go from new player to tens of millions in a short span of time so something is going on. There is information that I am not privy to which people are unwilling to explain.

Tens is nothing these days tbh. It comes down to the fact that you need money if you want to make money. If you just stare at whatever you have, it'll obviously won't go up as much as you might want. I believe things use to be much more easier before server travel was a thing. Before that, you could have a monopoly on specific items and make other sellers cry when they thought they could get a piece of the pie.

• Travel between Data Centers and buy/sell at 4-10x. Don't bother doing this on the same DC. You can bring a billion or two over to Mana/Gaia/Elemental and turn it into five or six billion within a week.
  
• Purchase all the cheap items that retainers tend to bring back and stash them away for a year+. Eventually, those items are moved out of the list of items retainers bring back...
  
• Spiritbonding in Urth's Fount.
  
• Trading houses.
  
• Submarines.
  
• Finding very niche markets that are overlooked by most. Basically, no need to keep up with the brand new items unless you want to compete with 20 other people camping the summoning bell.
  
• Sell primed grade 3 wheels of confrontation when an expansion comes around.
  
• Offer to power level Free Companies.
  
• Desynthesis
  
• Befriend known social players on your server/DC and be the person they refer to when they say they know a guy who knows a guy. These people or their friends always have some sort of odd request and with enough time, they'll go directly to you to help them out with whatever they want. That also allows you front row tickets for whatever drama that might entail.

You don't have to put a ton of effort into it. Just have to be smarter than the next guy (not very difficult).

[YukikoKurosawa]

Tens is nothing these days tbh. It comes down to the fact that you need money if you want to make money. If you just stare at whatever you have, it'll obviously won't go up as much as you might want. I believe things use to be much more easier before server travel was a thing. Before that, you could have a monopoly on specific items and make other sellers cry when they thought they could get a piece of the pie.

• Travel between Data Centers and buy/sell at 4-10x. Don't bother doing this on the same DC. You can bring a billion or two over to Mana/Gaia/Elemental and turn it into five or six billion within a week.
  
• Purchase all the cheap items that retainers tend to bring back and stash them away for a year+. Eventually, those items are moved out of the list of items retainers bring back...
  
• Spiritbonding in Urth's Fount.
  
• Trading houses.
  
• Submarines.
  
• Finding very niche markets that are overlooked by most. Basically, no need to keep up with the brand new items unless you want to compete with 20 other people camping the summoning bell.
  
• Sell primed grade 3 wheels of confrontation when an expansion comes around.
  
• Offer to power level Free Companies.
  
• Desynthesis
  
• Befriend known social players on your server/DC and be the person they refer to when they say they know a guy who knows a guy. These people or their friends always have some sort of odd request and with enough time, they'll go directly to you to help them out with whatever they want. That also allows you front row tickets for whatever drama that might entail.

You don't have to put a ton of effort into it. Just have to be smarter than the next guy (not very difficult).

.....Sounds like a lot of work.

"You don't to put a ton of effort into it" Um.

Also

"Befriend known social players on your server/dc" "lol just make friends bro and use nepotism along with all these convoluted means that the game does nothing to even suggest you should do to make a reasonable amount of gil to be able to afford the ludicrously expensive things like houses of not garbage size"

[Yshtola_Cat]

.....Sounds like a lot of work.

"You don't to put a ton of effort into it" Um.

Also

"Befriend known social players on your server/dc" "lol just make friends bro and use nepotism along with all these convoluted means that the game does nothing to even suggest you should do to make a reasonable amount of gil to be able to afford the ludicrously expensive things like houses of not garbage size"

I'm 700m from being hard-capped (don't have the phone app retainer though) and I'm not really frugal nor am I putting a ton of time into this. If you are discouraged by preparation, then go on and compete with the majority of players who fit the same mold as you.

My bad, you don't really need to befriend them nor do you need to look out for them, they'll come to you eventually.

[UkcsAlias]

"Befriend known social players on your server/dc" "lol just make friends bro and use nepotism along with all these convoluted means that the game does nothing to even suggest you should do to make a reasonable amount of gil to be able to afford the ludicrously expensive things like houses of not garbage size"

While not everyone is good at socializing (and some refuse to anyway), the novice network is generaly a good way for this! It doesnt require any recruiting into an FC or require you to find a linkshell. But being active there and finding people that often want to play with you is a way to get yourself known. Especialy when they know you are often crafting wanted items. They might know other linkshells/FC's/Discords where people want to have a steady source of items.

Note that its not an issue to sell items a bit cheaper than they normaly would be, if you can guarantee that they are sold anyway! Retainers can take time for selling, and direct trades keep a slot open there.

[Dzian]

I'd love if this community would actually clearly explain things to someone unfamiliar rather than layer everything under 50 different secret metas that someone just playing the game normally would never know about. This community operates like a giant fucking clique. It's why I don't interact with anyone ingame outside of my FC. The most absolutely impenetrable community I have ever encountered.

The most basic answer is there's basically nothing to spend gils on.. so it just grows and grows steadily..

crafting and gathering can make you good money even at the lowest levels..
On my server right now for example a low level Blacksmith can spend a staggering 54 gils buying a bronze ingot, a piece of ash lumber, and a ragstone from an npc, hq a bronze scythe and sell it for 5,000 gils.. that's one hell of a profit margin.. then you have dol materials that prove to be quite usefull at virtally all levels. things like silver ore are used right up into the 80s but a relatively low level material to gather. a stack of that can get you 20k. and doesnt take long. just a case of spending that 10 minutes in a roulette queue mining instead of sitting afk...

Dols are fairly consistant though. because everything is so easy to get that even high end high durium ore is basically worth the same as low end silver ore... the main thing is vary what you do..

desynth can also be relativrely decent. typically better than just vendoring stuff. that crappy dungeon drop a vendor might buy from you for 100 gil or it could desynth into an ingot you could sell for 400 gil or a demi materia you could venor for 5k.. so dont just vendor it basically.

retainers can bring decent stuff back as long as there gear is decent. pure white dye for example is like 500k a pot.. jet black is pretty similar..

the point really is that when there's basically nothing to spend gil on.. all those little bits can really mount up suprisingly quickly..