Is no one happy?

[Vryn]

Just funny that this "drama" and "conflict" here is always created by the same people with their hot takes.

I think the real problem forums have aren't subjective opinions, any problem you have is first and foremost subjective since you can only basically talk for yourself. But that is where most of the people here on the forums have problems with. They don't speak about what they would like to see and deliver feedback in a manner that would suggest that it is their opinion. Almost always, their "feedback" is delivered in either doomsday preaching or in a way that projects their subjective opinion on a broader playerbase. Like "If you do XYZ SE then you lose all your raiders" or well in this case here "Is no one happy" where people jump to conclusions by taking a few people and boiling the gigantic playerbase the game has down to there few peoples opinion.

It's just a matter of rhetoric. People tend to speak for a broader group cause it makes your argument/opinion seem stronger than it actually might be. Instead people should just speak for themselves, cause they write about their personal opinions and don't speak for anyone else than themselves. But that is something that doesn't happen here and that is the reason why nobody is taking the NA forums serious, it's a bunch of demands to change something based on personal opinions and trolls and people who rather say that XYZ will destroy the game instead of delivering valid and easy digestible feedback.

Yes, they do speak about what they would see if they preach or doom monger about an issue what they would see is that resolved promptly.

Your post can be boiled down to "It's not what you say, it's how you say it", but the problem is no one cares if you feel emotionally infringed upon were not you grow a spine and deal with the issue. If you can stand the hellfire, don't jump from heaven, the demons aren't kind to you. If we sent you to hell, you would be complaining to Satan that it's not a safe space.

If you have an issue with them, instead of bitching about it, deal with it, bring order to the chaos and do something other than complain. If you think the tone is too aggressive, nihilistic, preachy, etc and you state that it will be seen as a weakness and they double down.

Humans are not logical animals. You fight an argument on emotional terms more than logical ones. You have to win both hearts and minds, but people will always prioritise their emotional state. No fact or logic will sway that because if they feel victimised, abused, angry, spiteful, deranged, controlled, happy, or joyous, no fact will sway that, and you will be seen as an enemy.

There is a reason we call it the mob.