Is no one happy?

[VelKallor]

Given that WoW has patch cycles of 6 months to 1 year, I'd say this is quite fast.

I was wondering when someone would catch that.:-D

[HalinFluffyBuns]

No I'm not happy I still can't wear most of the female outfits from the mogstation ME WANT PRINCESS DRESS DEMMIT

[AlyaNimfa]

idk, I'm having a blast ingame and don't come here much anymore. It's just the same old posters and the same old thing on the forums. Theyre not really doing anything for the game or community by having them to be honest.

[Zaniel]

Almost all gaming forums are an utterly microscopic proportion of their respective playerbases and the FF14 forums are an even smaller representation than that. If you spend any time here you realise that the number of posters here are a veritable dust speck compared to the numbers playing in game, additionally a large number of posts (especially the negative ones) are repeats from a hardened cadre of usual suspects. A couple of hundred rage posters of which maybe a quarter have anything of a legitimate and coherent issue to discuss as opposed to deranged poopposts compared to millions of satisfied players, don't let it get to you, either that or enjoy yourself playing forum dodge-ball.

EDIT: I'm all for constructive feedback to devs but I'm sorry, a lot of these complaint posts are ABSURDLY subjective or make no sense at all or ask for something that is even worse because they don't think about the ramifications of the various design decisions, or are barely human language that can be decoded.

If you want to complain, that's fine but the onus is on the complainer to make a clearly reasoned, least-as-possibly-subjective discussion and THEN take it on the chin if people politely say "no thanks I disagree because ..." instead of exploding into a screeching monkey-poo throwing lump of inhuman insanity.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Welcome to Forum. Doesn't mean that nobody's enjoying their game though.

[Vryn]

Almost all gaming forums are an utterly microscopic proportion of their respective playerbases and the FF14 forums are an even smaller representation than that. If you spend any time here you realise that the number of posters here are a veritable dust speck compared to the numbers playing in game, additionally a large number of posts (especially the negative ones) are repeats from a hardened cadre of usual suspects. A couple of hundred rage posters of which maybe a quarter have anything of a legitimate and coherent issue to discuss as opposed to deranged poopposts compared to millions of satisfied players, don't let it get to you, either that or enjoy yourself playing forum dodge-ball.

EDIT: I'm all for constructive feedback to devs but I'm sorry, a lot of these complaint posts are ABSURDLY subjective or make no sense at all or ask for something that is even worse because they don't think about the ramifications of the various design decisions, or are barely human language that can be decoded.

If you want to complain, that's fine but the onus is on the complainer to make a clearly reasoned, least-as-possibly-subjective discussion and THEN take it on the chin if people politely say "no thanks I disagree because ..." instead of exploding into a screeching monkey-poo throwing lump of inhuman insanity.

Everything is subject. You are subjective on objective statements. That's what creates an opinion, and we as humans use said opinion to give feedback because it allows us to grant context and subtext to what would be bland objective statements

Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it's wrong. They are liking/disliking an aspect of a certain issue within the game and state why which is undoubtedly relevant feedback. But, at the same time, that may not represent everyone, and no one says it does, it does represent them and people like them, and there will be more players like them.

They have stated a point. They gave their evidence and then expanded on that evidence and linked it back to the topic. If you do not agree with that statement or think it is not logical, that's fine, but then it's on you to deconstruct their information with your reasons so they can construct the point again, taking on your reasons to refine the overall topic.

That is the point of the forums to construct and deconstruct to refine feedback. If you posted on the forums, others would label your thread as highly subjective, and that's okay.

Whether people think it's toxic or not, we are here to fight, converse and argue our point as fervently as possible. We are here to have gotcha snide and bitchy moments because it shows humanity's actual thought process on the subject. Very little worth has been derived from any situation built on love and kindness. Even marriages fail when built on crap. So you should expect people not to agree and fight over something as much as possible. Yes, that's a good thing because what's leftover is more valuable to the devs than what began, and if it goes too far for them, they can shut it down, but it doesn't stop it. It will just continue. There always be another thread.

Conflict is the spice of life. It's what makes things interesting it's why it's called Drama. It grabs people's attention. Toxicity, pain, and EMOTIONAL DAMAGE are not harmful in contained environments and help promote growth. However, you may have to die on a hill a few times to mature and grow mentally as a human, especially on controversial subjects.

[Ranaku]

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Just funny that this "drama" and "conflict" here is always created by the same people with their hot takes.

I think the real problem forums have aren't subjective opinions, any problem you have is first and foremost subjective since you can only basically talk for yourself. But that is where most of the people here on the forums have problems with. They don't speak about what they would like to see and deliver feedback in a manner that would suggest that it is their opinion. Almost always their "feedback" is delivered in either doomsday preaching or in a way that projects their subjective opinion on a broader playerbase. Like "If you do XYZ SE then you lose all your raiders" or well in this case here "Is no one happy" where people jump to conclusions by taking a few people and boiling the gigantic playerbase the game has down to there few peoples opinion.

It's just a matter of rhetoric, people tend to speak for a broader group cause it makes your argument/opinion seem stronger than it actually might be. Instead people should just speak for themselves, cause they write about their personal opinions and don't speak for anyone else than themselves. But that is something that doesn't happen here and that is the reason why nobody is taking the NA forums serious, it's a bunch of demands to change something based on personal opinions and trolls and people who rather say that XYZ will destroy the game instead of delivering valid and easy digestible feedback.

[Vryn]

Just funny that this "drama" and "conflict" here is always created by the same people with their hot takes.

I think the real problem forums have aren't subjective opinions, any problem you have is first and foremost subjective since you can only basically talk for yourself. But that is where most of the people here on the forums have problems with. They don't speak about what they would like to see and deliver feedback in a manner that would suggest that it is their opinion. Almost always, their "feedback" is delivered in either doomsday preaching or in a way that projects their subjective opinion on a broader playerbase. Like "If you do XYZ SE then you lose all your raiders" or well in this case here "Is no one happy" where people jump to conclusions by taking a few people and boiling the gigantic playerbase the game has down to there few peoples opinion.

It's just a matter of rhetoric. People tend to speak for a broader group cause it makes your argument/opinion seem stronger than it actually might be. Instead people should just speak for themselves, cause they write about their personal opinions and don't speak for anyone else than themselves. But that is something that doesn't happen here and that is the reason why nobody is taking the NA forums serious, it's a bunch of demands to change something based on personal opinions and trolls and people who rather say that XYZ will destroy the game instead of delivering valid and easy digestible feedback.

Yes, they do speak about what they would see if they preach or doom monger about an issue what they would see is that resolved promptly.

Your post can be boiled down to "It's not what you say, it's how you say it", but the problem is no one cares if you feel emotionally infringed upon were not you grow a spine and deal with the issue. If you can stand the hellfire, don't jump from heaven, the demons aren't kind to you. If we sent you to hell, you would be complaining to Satan that it's not a safe space.

If you have an issue with them, instead of bitching about it, deal with it, bring order to the chaos and do something other than complain. If you think the tone is too aggressive, nihilistic, preachy, etc and you state that it will be seen as a weakness and they double down.

Humans are not logical animals. You fight an argument on emotional terms more than logical ones. You have to win both hearts and minds, but people will always prioritise their emotional state. No fact or logic will sway that because if they feel victimised, abused, angry, spiteful, deranged, controlled, happy, or joyous, no fact will sway that, and you will be seen as an enemy.

There is a reason we call it the mob.

[Lustre]

The only reason the forums have aggregated all of the disgruntled players, or ones who have more negative things to say than the average, is because it's the only place you can do so without being drowned out/downvoted/banned by an army of graha Tia kawaii warriors

[BaconBits]

I think people who are angry or just really disappointed about something will just have a lot more energy too to spend on it generally speaking ( my signature coincidence not intended ).
Even in the thread as I mentioned where most people rant about the story it still has someone saying that they liked the story with more than double the updoots than the OP and a second one just meme:ing with more too.
But somehow it's evidence of how much people supposedly hated the story?
I wonder if you just reduced the thread to 1 post per person too how it'd really look.

The same goes for me too, I ranted a ton about the Kaiten removal.
I didn't spend a whole lot of energy talking about how much I love NIN in EW tho.

I may not have put much thought into the story at the time I made that post, but even then I thought it was kinda goofy that the main cause of virtually everything wrong with Eitherys was a depressed guy and his army of bird daughterus sending negative vibes toward the rest of the universe.

Ever since then I've been following that thread and interacting with it on occasion, whether it be silly joke posts like lalafell Zenos getting football tackled by a reanimated Garlean corpse being the real highlight of the expac, or more serious posts deriding the use of time travel as a plot point yet again, the Kairos Incident being all too convenient of a plot device, and the depiction of the Sundering painting Venat/Hydaelyn in a far more negative light than I thought possible. With the reveal that she intentionally Sundered all of Eitherys based on a crisis of belief and not as an accident of her clash with Zodiark (which we don't even get to see btw) along with the fact she intentionally spared Emet-Selch, Elidibus and Lahabrea knowing full well how much destruction they would wreak in their desparate bid to restore their home, it's absolutely baffling that she got off as good as she did. Even when she acknowledges that what she did was heinous and a gross violation of all her people's rights, the story bends over backwards to have the Scions reassure her that her cause was just and she did no wrong, with no dialogue option to rebuke her in sight.

That other reply below me was just downright petty to be honest.