Is no one happy?

[Ranaku]

People who are happy are usually just playing the game and this is the majority, the really loud minority gathers here to cry about the latest changed with which 99% of the playerbase is actually happy with but yeah trolls have to spread their hot takes everywhere here. Glad the devs don't listen to the NA forums, cause it doesn't represent the community in any way at all.

[Theodric]

People who are happy are usually just playing the game and this is the majority, the really loud minority gathers here to cry about the latest changed with which 99% of the playerbase is actually happy with but yeah trolls have to spread their hot takes everywhere here. Glad the devs don't listen to the NA forums, cause it doesn't represent the community in any way at all.

Declaring the 'majority' of players to be happy and with no complaints of note unlike the 'haters' was exactly the same sort of gaslighting that led people to declare that WoW wasn't on a downward spiral and that everything was fine despite shifting from a global phenomenon with ten million active players to a quivering wreck too scared to publicly declare its number of active subscriptions.

People generally don't speak out with negative criticism because they hate the game. It's usually done because they're invested and would rather not see another major MMO repeat the same predictable pitfalls that WoW fell into.

As an aside, this isn't solely the 'NA' forum. It encompasses many voices from players from various European countries and elsewhere. It strikes me as rather bizarre to brush off such a broad range of posters as 'hAtUrZ' on that basis alone!

[TheMightyMollusk]

As an aside, this isn't solely the 'NA' forum. It encompasses many voices from players from various European countries and elsewhere. It strikes me as rather bizarre to brush off such a broad range of posters as 'hAtUrZ' on that basis alone!

People are so used to the (admittedly earned) stereotype of Americans being angry complainers that we get blamed for everyone else's complaints too.

[Ranaku]

Declaring the 'majority' of players to be happy and with no complaints of note unlike the 'haters' was exactly the same sort of gaslighting that led people to declare that WoW wasn't on a downward spiral and that everything was fine despite shifting from a global phenomenon with ten million active players to a quivering wreck too scared to publicly declare its number of active subscriptions.

People generally don't speak out with negative criticism because they hate the game. It's usually done because they're invested and would rather not see another major MMO repeat the same predictable pitfalls that WoW fell into.

As an aside, this isn't solely the 'NA' forum. It encompasses many voices from players from various European countries and elsewhere. It strikes me as rather bizarre to brush off such a broad range of posters as 'hAtUrZ' on that basis alone!

It kinda is just the NA forums, i know the truth hurts pal. Most of the XIV players are just going about their day enjoying the game, forums and social media will always be the minority of players who go out of their way to troll and spew out their hot takes.

And trust me i can read (and write) in english, german and even a bit of french and japanese and i can tell you that the NA social media platforms are the only ones that are crying like the final final fantasy days are upon us. Neither EU nor JP has players with such a need to cry their virtual eyes out on forums etc.

So yeah if you are the only one crying about a imaginary "problem" that just revolves around you i would suggest checking if that game and the core philosophy behind it is still for you. Better than trying to project your minority views so hard on the devs that they make changes for what...1% of the playerbase who balls their eyes out about the latest changes?

[Martynek]

Incoherent rambling, crybullying, and gaslighting

Relax ok buddy?

[Amenara]

Glad the devs don't listen to the NA forums, cause it doesn't represent the community in any way at all.

I mean, the devs not listening to the NA forums is why MCH still has ping issues years later.

There is legitimate criticism on the forums of issues with the game, just because you think it is fine the way it is doesn't mean it can't be better and I imagine that is where the majority of the feedback on the forums is coming from, a want for the game to be the best it can possibly be.

[MintnHoney]

Glad the devs don't listen to the NA forums, cause it doesn't represent the community in any way at all.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but they actively request that people provide feedback on the forums. So if you really believe that they don't look at anyone's feedback, then, cool, you're saying that they're liars, which would be worse than them looking at feedback and just ignoring it. The NA forums represents parts of the community, and you really shouldn't believe otherwise or else you're lying to yourself and probably others.

Furthermore, this is the sample that they really have to work with. Most people who are dissatisfied with the game will just stop playing, no questions asked, while many others, still, will say nothing because they don't think that they have a voice or just don't want to rock the boat because someone (like you, perhaps) might try to guilt or shame them.
You also have no means to determine how the majority of the players in the game feel about any one thing, because there's no way to actively talk to every player in the game or reach out to them reliably, not even considering how many of them will actively avoid saying anything to anyone else for any number of reasons.
So, unfortunately, outside of the game is all they really actually have to work with to determine feedback.

But sure, let's think about why they don't really listen to feedback. I can almost guarantee that it has nothing to do with the "quality" of the feedback, because they wouldn't be stupid enough to expect professional feedback from all of their customers, especially considering how much of the game they lobotomized for players.
I would say, if they're really not listening to feedback, it's probably because they're too busy listening for social media outrage.

[Dzian]

People who are happy are usually just playing the game and this is the majority, the really loud minority gathers here to cry about the latest changed with which 99% of the playerbase is actually happy with but yeah trolls have to spread their hot takes everywhere here. Glad the devs don't listen to the NA forums, cause it doesn't represent the community in any way at all.

It's been proven time and time again that the vocal minority is bs. its the reason the term hardly gets used anymore because those vocal people have been proven time and time again to be right.

Here's one for you.. recent ads on facebook put the games playerbase as totalling over 25 million players. The most recent lucky bancho thing put the active playerbase at about 800,000 if i recall correctly.

800,000 out of 25 million is in the region of 3%

So are the majority of players really happy with the game when only 3% of them are playing?

The clear answer is no. if they were happy then more of those 25 million would still be playing.

“Only 1 out of 26 unhappy customers complain. The rest churn. A lesson here is that companies should not view absence of feedback as a sign of satisfaction. The true enemy is indifference.”

Source

You should never take silence as a sign of satisfaction or happiness. to say the majority of players are happy just because they are silent is beyond wrong.. especially when 96% of the playerbase has dropped the game.

[Vryn]

It's been proven time and time again that the vocal minority is bs. it's the reason the term hardly gets used anymore because those vocal people have been proven time and time again to be right.

Here's one for you.. recent ads on Facebook put the games player base as totalling over 25 million players. The most recent lucky bancho thing put the active playerbase at about 800,000 if i recall correctly.

800,000 out of 25 million is in the region of 3%

So are the majority of players really happy with the game when only 3% of them are playing?

The clear answer is no. if they were happy then more of those 25 million would still be playing.

This is true, Destiny had gotten 20 million additional accounts since new light began, but only 1 million stayed. That's a 95% failure rate at retaining those people who are actively interested in your game to buy it.

Plus, the number of accounts is expected to go up naturally over time, but it's not representative of the game's health or the active player base of the time, which is what matters. So WoW has over 100 million. Are we saying it is doing well? The answer to that is no.

[Vryn]

This is true, Destiny had gotten 20 million additional accounts since new light began, but only 1 million stayed. That's a 95% failure rate at retaining those people who are actively interested in your game to buy it.

Plus, the number of accounts is expected to go up naturally over time, but it's not representative of the game's health or the active player base of the time, which is what matters. So WoW has over 100 million. Are we saying it is doing well? The answer to that is no.

Let's be honest games like Fortnite and Genshin produce massive amounts of content, and they are free; we pay a sub plus box price. So we should be expecting higher quality content at a more frequent rate than even those games produce.

MMO companies are going crazy about the sandpark MMO or, as other people have known it, what everyone was always advertised as but could never do properly.

Most games are MMOs at this point and they take many different forums, it's no longer one of the hardest genres to pull off its industry standard and these companies have been doing it longer than most so they should be better at it than anyone else.