Endwalker is the most controversial expansion

[Adamantini]

Relevant quote: "I can't believe they pulled this ridiculous Emet fanservice only for it to be VENAT FANSERVICE IN DISGUISE".

Speaking as a huge Emet fan, EW wasn't worth it. Emet's character was manipulated beyond belief. First, I'm supposed to believe the mind-wiping device he had significant concerns about in the beginning of the zone he decides wasn't worth investigating by the end of it. Then I'm supposed to believe that after 12k years of "hatred and heartbreak" he praises Venat? GTFO of here. Learning that the bucket list he gives us at the end of UT was Yoshi-P's doing didn't surprise me. I suspect he had his fingerprints all over Emet this time to push a narrative because he's so widely adored and I didn't appreciate it one bit.

Edit: Additionally, not being able to save him/having to watch him die a second time was just wonderful. Happy, satisfying ending for sure. /s

I'm not a huge fan of Emet, but even for me it was revolting how his mind was reset. Like, there were three ancients and we were there, against Hermes, whose we had already beaten him. And yet, both Emet and Hythlodaeus stood there, speaking anime lines, while their minds were reset and our character was sad (seriously, I lost count of how many times my character made a stray dog face on Elpis. This character does not represent me)

[Larirawiel]

I'm not a huge fan of Emet, but even for me it was revolting how his mind was reset. Like, there were three ancients and we were there, against Hermes, whose we had already beaten him. And yet, both Emet and Hythlodaeus stood there, speaking anime lines, while their minds were reset and our character was sad (seriously, I lost count of how many times my character made a stray dog face on Elpis. This character does not represent me)

And the funny thing is, would Venat summon four golden doggos instead of two then Hythlodaeus and Emet-Selch could also be saved from the memory wiping device. But it would propably destroy the whole Elpis plot and the writers decide to let Venat act very stupid.

Cheers

[Adamantini]

And the funny thing is, would Venat summon four golden doggos instead of two then Hythlodaeus and Emet-Selch could also be saved from the memory wiping device. But it would propably destroy the whole Elpis plot and the writers decide to let Venat act very stupid.

Cheers

Yea! And right after that, she proves to be stupid again, because she doesn't do anything to reverse the situation of her people, and for us she just keeps repeating "hear, feel, think", instead of saying something relevant like "protect, Zoldiark, moon", or "bad, blue, bird" (this last was a joke).
Also, have you ever stopped to think that her grand plan, if all went wrong, was to move us to the moon, where there were rabbits who had no idea how to keep the people of "earth" alive. Like, didn't it cross Venat's mind that Meteion, after destroying the "earth", would destroy the moon if there were people there?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Yep, can't forget they part where they suddenly introduce the cause of the entire story out of nowhere only to kill her off a few levels later.

Hermes is a she now?

[Silvarer]

I never said he should summon our reflections, just tether them together for a brief moment so the echo can take effect, if he can send us back in time, he can do that as well.

Tether them together how? You’re still proposing something that makes no sense and has never been shown to work the way you for some reason seem to think it does.

[Aluja89]

Tether them together how? You’re still proposing something that makes no sense and has never been shown to work the way you for some reason seem to think it does.

So? You realize it's all fiction right, there are no rules, if there were we wouldn't have the time travel junk. You're also not explaining why it wouldn't work, but if you really want a explanation. Ardbert exists within WoL, the moment he joined us Emet saw glimpses of Azem so that means joining together truly does form back to an ancient, so why couldn't Elidibus search the same frequency Azem's crystal emits through the Crystal Tower like a beacon towards the WoL for a brief moment?

[FoxyAreku]

Endwalker may as well have been a visual novel for how little gameplay it actually had. First expansion to be that bad to me, that's my biggest beef with it.

Shadowbringers was really lacking in content but at least the story let me press buttons and do things every now and then.

[Adamantini]

Endwalker may as well have been a visual novel for how little gameplay it actually had. First expansion to be that bad to me, that's my biggest beef with it.

Shadowbringers was really lacking in content but at least the story let me press buttons and do things every now and then.

This. And for me, it has the aggravating factor of having been a very bad visual novel.

[DPZ2]

So? You realize it's all fiction right, there are no rules, if there were we wouldn't have the time travel junk. You're also not explaining why it wouldn't work, but if you really want a explanation. Ardbert exists within WoL, the moment he joined us Emet saw glimpses of Azem so that means joining together truly does form back to an ancient, so why couldn't Elidibus search the same frequency Azem's crystal emits through the Crystal Tower like a beacon towards the WoL for a brief moment?

And yet there are people complaining about the time travel, even though there "are no rules". Having been exposed to science fiction and fantasy tropes for longer than most posters on these forums have been alive (also, longer than anime has been a viable media), the plot for Endwalker made sense to me. I was not expecting more than your typical MMORPG level of storyline, and was not disappointed.

It isn't classic literature. It isn't post-modern lit. It isn't The Circus of Dr. Lao, Dianetics, the Song of Songs, Pride and Prejudice, nor the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. I think Shakespeare might have appreciated the level of irony in the story, and Charles Dickens the level of pathos in the story. Then again, I really enjoyed reading John Crowley's Aegypt before it got retitled, and Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum.

A simple explanation about why tethering will never restore the full Warrior of Light/Azem: at least one part of that soul is gone forever thanks to the stupidity of the Unsundered. Or is it?

[Aluja89]

And yet there are people complaining about the time travel, even though there "are no rules". Having been exposed to science fiction and fantasy tropes for longer than most posters on these forums have been alive (also, longer than anime has been a viable media), the plot for Endwalker made sense to me. I was not expecting more than your typical MMORPG level of storyline, and was not disappointed.

It isn't classic literature. It isn't post-modern lit. It isn't The Circus of Dr. Lao, Dianetics, the Song of Songs, Pride and Prejudice, nor the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. I think Shakespeare might have appreciated the level of irony in the story, and Charles Dickens the level of pathos in the story. Then again, I really enjoyed reading John Crowley's Aegypt before it got retitled, and Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum.

A simple explanation about why tethering will never restore the full Warrior of Light/Azem: at least one part of that soul is gone forever thanks to the stupidity of the Unsundered. Or is it?

I'm getting tired of saying this.

The point was the echo, not my explanation on how to achieve it. I pulled that one out my ass in the moment yet everyone keep being fixated on it.