Blm Ice & Fire

[Vatom]

Anyone wanna tell me why people are saying not to use fire.

Like seriously I need to know this logic not be sarcastic

Why would you just drop haft you kit is there some secret technique to it I don’t main blm in pvp just dable it it’s for giggles

Also don’t come at me about being crystal been there for awhile and idc about your rank I just want to understand the logic behind this

[MintnHoney]

Anyone wanna tell me why people are saying not to use fire.

The stuns from Ice are infinitely more valuable than the DoT from Fire. That would be the reason, generally speaking.

[Ransu]

Ice and Fire do the same damage minus the dot from super flare which is relatively weak. Why go for the dot when the casted abilities do the exact same damage AND you can stun the entire team with superflare in a game with no diminishing returns on stuns? There's just no real reason to use fire unless you're just outright dominating them and the CC isn't necessary.

[Jettinson]

Basically stun/root without diminishing returns.
Seriously most of the time I got lucky in CC with BLM players because they keep going for Fire DoT.

Ice force players to waste guard and purify because 2 second of freeze constantly leads to death if being focused as well.
Purify and Guard have 30 second cooldown while black mage can still keep going with deep freeze due to LB, 15 second cooldown of Paradox and Superflare in 2 stacks

It might sound stupid to read so usually the better view is to fight an actual ice mage and see how miserable it feels

[Lymberey]

I will copy-paste something i wrote a while ago.

This is my thought on Fire and Ice.

Burn will eventually cost 1 Recuperate after 12s which is very long. Mana regen also ticks at 500/3s so thats 2000 mana recovered.
Two Burns will cost 2 Recuperates in total after at least 30s (SF > 3 Flares + Burn Duration > SF + Burn duration) while 5000 mana was recovered, which is exactly the cost of two Recuperates.
It can help shorten the fight and lessen stalling power, but has absolutely no use against team with group Regen, extra self heal, and especially against WHM.
In the best scenario, burning the whole team would be 120K dmg in at least 30s and cost 10 Recuperates.
It is important to note that Burn can cancel NIN stealth and stop them from using Assassination and can kill people through Guard, but that is very very unlikely unless you stack it with multiple DoTs from your team.

Deep Freeze, on the other hand, will prevent 2 (or 3) Recuperates from being used during 3s deep freeze, and has a high chance to pop 'Purify' which is invaluable in team fight and disengagement pretty early on in the fight.
Two Deep Freezes will prevent 4 Recuperates which is 60K HP and very likely to pop Purify as well. This helps shorten the fight even more so than Burn ever could as it can prevent up to 60K healing and pop a purify.
In the best scenario, freezing the whole team can prevent up to 20 Recuperates, which are 300K healing, on top of popping 5 'Purify' in just 6s (SF > 3 Freezes > SF), stop dmg coming to your team, prevent the opposing team from using guard, and stop them from escaping.

Freeze really does more than Fire in only 1/5 of the time.

I fought new BLMs alot these days. How do i know they are new?
They always use Fire, and I almost always (9 out of 10 matches) wreck their team with Ice.

[Vatom]

Ah so infinite stun but I hear people say never use fire isn't the dot useful for execute set ups? I know not spamming but at least in LB

[Vatom]

I will copy-paste something i wrote a while ago.



I fought new BLMs alot these days. How do i know they are new?
They always use Fire, and I almost always (9 out of 10 matches) wreck their team with Ice.

AH that answers my question thank you Ill try this out Now you guys have me curious as to how painful this can be