Can we get more ways to get timeworn artifacts?

[TaleraRistain]

my personnal proposition is to give us the ability to buy them with bozjan mithril coin, we got dozens of them by farming.

Maybe that and either increase the drop rate or provide another option. Most other steps are tied to some sort of roulette so that would be ideal. 50+ would be good because IIRC it doesn't have a ShB option yet (you can get items for other ShB steps if you happen to get a 60 or 70 but I don't think the roulette itself has something tied to it) but it could also provide causality for current relic and is something that can be run to get the mysterious map for Alexandrite for the ARR relic. I think it may also be one of the anima options for singing clusters but don't quote me. One thing the non-Eureka relics have in common is that you often double dip with relic updates and items on specific content. So this would add that feature to this step for the resistance weapons.

[Yuella]

I think the next steps (30 items x6) is a bigger (or is it smaller?) bottleneck. The 90 from skirmishes are quick, but critical engagements are more rare than skirmishes. Having to complete 45 CEs take a long time and queues for the raids take a long time too and raid roulettes give you A1N most of the time. I completed the Timeworn step in 5 days doing 1 DRN a day.

[TaleraRistain]

I think the next steps (30 items x6) is a bigger (or is it smaller?) bottleneck. The 90 from skirmishes are quick, but critical engagements are more rare than skirmishes. Having to complete 45 CEs take a long time and queues for the raids take a long time too and raid roulettes give you A1N most of the time. I completed the Timeworn step in 5 days doing 1 DRN a day.

The one time step? Yeah but all the one time steps are designed to be grindy. And even with those steps you have more than one option. You can do the Bozja option with skirmishes or critical engagements, or you can choose from 6 specific normal raids for each of the items you need. And that only needs to be done one time.

For the next step that needs to be done for every weapon, 15 raw emotions, you can get drops in Dalriada, DR, 70 dungeons, or HoH.
For the previous step of the 6 bitter memories, you could run a 60 dungeon, get one from leveling roulette, or get them as drops in Bozja.

So for both of those steps, you could grind things out quickly with the Bozja options or spam the same DF content, but you could also passively gather items through something like daily roulettes. There's no passive option on the timeworn step, which is why something like a guaranteed drop from 50 dungeons or the 50+ roulette (since they're not being used for resistance right now) would be a good third option.

[Erzaa]

The one time step? Yeah but all the one time steps are designed to be grindy. And even with those steps you have more than one option. You can do the Bozja option with skirmishes or critical engagements, or you can choose from 6 specific normal raids for each of the items you need. And that only needs to be done one time.

For the next step that needs to be done for every weapon, 15 raw emotions, you can get drops in Dalriada, DR, 70 dungeons, or HoH.
For the previous step of the 6 bitter memories, you could run a 60 dungeon, get one from leveling roulette, or get them as drops in Bozja.

So for both of those steps, you could grind things out quickly with the Bozja options or spam the same DF content, but you could also passively gather items through something like daily roulettes. There's no passive option on the timeworn step, which is why something like a guaranteed drop from 50 dungeons or the 50+ roulette (since they're not being used for resistance right now) would be a good third option.

Possibly because from floor 100 onwards the drop is almost certainly guaranteed. PoTD has 200 floors and you'll likely get some on the way up too. HoH only has 100 floors and they're not guaranteed until around 70.

[Eastwall]

I mean floor 51-60 should be at least 50% at this point... Idk why it has no been done. The light farm speed of arr relic's Last step was doubled.

[TaleraRistain]

I mean floor 51-60 should be at least 50% at this point... Idk why it has no been done. The light farm speed of arr relic's Last step was doubled.

I did some numbers earlier in this thread. Takes about 10 minutes for a 51-60 run. If they made it a guaranteed drop, then that's 6 an hour from PotD.

DR currently drops 3. With a speedy group with essences, that's 15 minutes for 3. They can double that for those times someone may get a longer group to 6. I think long DR groups usually are about 40 minutes to an hour? So they'd come out roughly equal in a long DR group but essence DR could be completely done in less than hour and have some drops toward the next weapon.

There's really no reason they can't make any POTD floor a guaranteed drop so you can get them if you're helping someone go from 1 to 50 like I did a few days ago, or spamming the floor of your choice.

A roulette option really would also be nice since as someone mentioned in the thread, both the current options you have to go out of your way for and there is no passive gathering option for repeatable steps like with the other steps. 50+ would work and someone also mentioned earlier that the Nier raids don't have a relic incentive so that would be another good option.

There's precendent in all relic steps except really SB (maybe the Echo? I don't think they've reduced the massive crystal amount needed) to streamline some of these steps in later expansions and they really don't have to adjust it very much to ease the bottleneck nature of the step.

[Eastwall]

I did some numbers earlier in this thread. Takes about 10 minutes for a 51-60 run. If they made it a guaranteed drop, then that's 6 an hour from PotD.

DR currently drops 3. With a speedy group with essences, that's 15 minutes for 3. They can double that for those times someone may get a longer group to 6. I think long DR groups usually are about 40 minutes to an hour? So they'd come out roughly equal in a long DR group but essence DR could be completely done in less than hour and have some drops toward the next weapon.

There's really no reason they can't make any POTD floor a guaranteed drop so you can get them if you're helping someone go from 1 to 50 like I did a few days ago, or spamming the floor of your choice.

A roulette option really would also be nice since as someone mentioned in the thread, both the current options you have to go out of your way for and there is no passive gathering option for repeatable steps like with the other steps. 50+ would work and someone also mentioned earlier that the Nier raids don't have a relic incentive so that would be another good option.

There's precendent in all relic steps except really SB (maybe the Echo? I don't think they've reduced the massive crystal amount needed) to streamline some of these steps in later expansions and they really don't have to adjust it very much to ease the bottleneck nature of the step.

All l can say is that the red mage sb relic is what l really wanted... I am not making another one until potd drop gets a buff

[TaleraRistain]

All l can say is that the red mage sb relic is what l really wanted... I am not making another one until potd drop gets a buff

I poke around in PotD usually when I have it on WT or when I'm vegging after raiding. So I'm slowly getting the last 9 I have left done. I get enough raw emotions to finish 2 or 3 by the time I can finally get all the timeworns to get another past that step.