Lottery System is TOO Fair

[caspergrey]

Wow, the level of entitlement in your post, is off the charts. The Lottery IS objectively fair with regards to personal housing because it gives the SAME ACCESS to all who enter it. It does not discriminate based on people's schedules, speed of Internet access, third party addons, time spent playing the game or the amount of Gil players have (as long as the players have the basic plot fee). Everyone who wishes to apply is given the same access. That is objectively fair.

First, I'm not arguing for one system for another, but to call a lottery system the most "objectively fair" system is disingenuous and bias to a particular outcome. It has nothing to do with entitlement, but if you want to argue entitlement, then this lottery system caters more to entitlement, that someone who hasn't earned as much gil, hasn't put as much time in the game, should get the same chance of winning a house as someone who has. Rather, it's just one definition of fair, but by no means "objectively fair."

Again, I'm not arguing for one system over another in this particular post, but the thinking that this current lottery system is "objectively fair" is naive in it's thinking. And truth is, it would be impossible to come up with an objectively fair system because that would mean there is an objective set of values we should all be playing this game with, and that doesn't exist.

I personally think a waiting list would be more fair, or even a mechanism where you get an additional vote on the house that you bid for every lottery that you lose until you win. But even those wouldn't be "objectively" more or less fair, cause "objectively fair" does not exist.

[Eraden]

There's that entitlement again. You really don't understand what entitlement means, do you? Just because you have been playing this game longer than others or have more Gil than others, does not entitle you to any special treatment over others. This game was created to give equal access to all of its content by it's players. The only conditions being that in order to get deeper into the content, you need to do the MSQ and whatever other quests are required to unlock that content. In the case of apartments and housing (correct me if I am wrong, any of you out there) all that is required is to achieve a rank of 1st Lt in your Grand Company and then have enough Gil on hand to be able to make the purchase/bid (oh yes, and unlock access to that particular housing district). THAT IS IT. If those conditions have been met by somebody who has played only a few months compared to how many years you have played, well, too bad, they have just as much right to access that content as you. Those are the rules of the game. YOU are the one trying to inject additional conditions. For what reason, I am not certain but it certainly smacks of some form of perceived superiority for having played longer or earned more Gil. Newsflash, the price on the placard is the price of admittance for entering the Lottery for that property. Having ten times as much Gil doesn't mean a thing beyond being able to enter that Lottery.

[caspergrey]

There's that entitlement again. You really don't understand what entitlement means, do you? Just because you have been playing this game longer than others or have more Gil than others, does not entitle you to any special treatment over others. This game was created to give equal access to all of its content by it's players. The only conditions being that in order to get deeper into the content, you need to do the MSQ and whatever other quests are required to unlock that content. In the case of apartments and housing (correct me if I am wrong, any of you out there) all that is required is to achieve a rank of 1st Lt in your Grand Company and then have enough Gil on hand to be able to make the purchase/bid (oh yes, and unlock access to that particular housing district). THAT IS IT. If those conditions have been met by somebody who has played only a few months compared to how many years you have played, well, too bad, they have just as much right to access that content as you. Those are the rules of the game. YOU are the one trying to inject additional conditions. For what reason, I am not certain but it certainly smacks of some form of perceived superiority for having played longer or earned more Gil. Newsflash, the price on the placard is the price of admittance for entering the Lottery for that property. Having ten times as much Gil doesn't mean a thing beyond being able to enter that Lottery.

I'm not making any antagonistic statements, nor am I attacking anyone personally. Nor am I "Trying to inject my conditions." I'm simply stating that an objectively fair system does not exist, and then presenting example of other things that someone could make an argument for more fair depending on their values on which fairness is being debated. I ask that you please refrain from any personal attacks on what I know or understand.

[Eraden]

I'm not making any antagonistic statements, nor am I attacking anyone personally. Nor am I "Trying to inject my conditions." I'm simply stating that an objectively fair system does not exist, and then presenting example of other things that someone could make an argument for more fair depending on their values on which fairness is being debated. I ask that you please refrain from any personal attacks on what I know or understand.

Ok, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat this as a situation where, for some reason, you do not understand why this is an objectively fair system. First, all players who have met the basic requirements are eligible to participate in the Lottery. These requirements are the same for every player. Second, all eligible players who wish to participate are subject to a single condition. This condition is the same for every player that participates. This condition is a random roll of the dice, so to speak. There are no external factors influencing this condition and every player who wishes to be subject to this condition may do so without impediment (plenty of time given to allow players to participate at their leisure). I am a scientist IRL. I couldn't ask for a better system than this in terms of creating a fair system for participation. The key here is that all players participating in the Lottery are treated in exactly the same way with no biases applied. From an observer's point of view, no single player is special. All are treated the same.

[Lustre]

I'm not making any antagonistic statements, nor am I attacking anyone personally. Nor am I "Trying to inject my conditions." I'm simply stating that an objectively fair system does not exist, and then presenting example of other things that someone could make an argument for more fair depending on their values on which fairness is being debated. I ask that you please refrain from any personal attacks on what I know or understand.

Yeah I think you're right here. Because the crux of what is and isnt fair varies by person.

Personally, I believe a system that rewards people who contribute more or put more effort in is fairer than a system that gives everybody a token for showing up. The people asking for "fairness" have essentially locked themselves out of housing due to the odds on said fairness. Quite funny really

[Eraden]

Yeah I think you're right here. Because the crux of what is and isnt fair varies by person.

Personally, I believe a system that rewards people who contribute more or put more effort in is fairer than a system that gives everybody a token for showing up. The people asking for "fairness" have essentially locked themselves out of housing due to the odds on said fairness. Quite funny really

So, in other words, you are applying your own bias and then with the same breath claim that what you are calling for is more fair. The conditions were laid out by SE. Rules for participation have been equally applied to all who wish to participate. The process itself was applied equally to all participants. What you are advocating for is some sort of preferential treatment.

[Aldotsk]

I dont know if it's too fair when there are so many limited houses and you can't choose the plot that you want in this game.

If you lose, then you have to go find subward or another ward to get what you want - but there aren't any plots left at this point.

So truthfully, an instance is needed.

[Lustre]

So, in other words, you are applying your own bias and then with the same breath claim that what you are calling for is more fair. The conditions were laid out by SE. Rules for participation have been equally applied to all who wish to participate. The process itself was applied equally to all participants. What you are advocating for is some sort of preferential treatment.

Yes
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[Grizzy]

Housing is very limited, it isn't a matter of "We pay the same sub" but a matter of priority. Sure it isn't fair to them, but it just isn't right that someone who actively wants a house and has time to play to be pushed aside by someone who can't even decorate their house.

"I pay the same sub, so lower the difficulty of savage so I can also do it within my one hour of play time I get a week." Housing is optional, savage is optional. PS, workshops should not be attached to housing, THAT is fair.

[LaylaTsarra]

workshops should not be attached to housing, THAT is fair.

No they shouldn't and they are the root cause of much of the FC abuse.