Lottery System is TOO Fair

[caspergrey]

Wow, the level of entitlement in your post, is off the charts. The Lottery IS objectively fair with regards to personal housing because it gives the SAME ACCESS to all who enter it. It does not discriminate based on people's schedules, speed of Internet access, third party addons, time spent playing the game or the amount of Gil players have (as long as the players have the basic plot fee). Everyone who wishes to apply is given the same access. That is objectively fair.

First, I'm not arguing for one system for another, but to call a lottery system the most "objectively fair" system is disingenuous and bias to a particular outcome. It has nothing to do with entitlement, but if you want to argue entitlement, then this lottery system caters more to entitlement, that someone who hasn't earned as much gil, hasn't put as much time in the game, should get the same chance of winning a house as someone who has. Rather, it's just one definition of fair, but by no means "objectively fair."

Again, I'm not arguing for one system over another in this particular post, but the thinking that this current lottery system is "objectively fair" is naive in it's thinking. And truth is, it would be impossible to come up with an objectively fair system because that would mean there is an objective set of values we should all be playing this game with, and that doesn't exist.

I personally think a waiting list would be more fair, or even a mechanism where you get an additional vote on the house that you bid for every lottery that you lose until you win. But even those wouldn't be "objectively" more or less fair, cause "objectively fair" does not exist.

[Eraden]

There's that entitlement again. You really don't understand what entitlement means, do you? Just because you have been playing this game longer than others or have more Gil than others, does not entitle you to any special treatment over others. This game was created to give equal access to all of its content by it's players. The only conditions being that in order to get deeper into the content, you need to do the MSQ and whatever other quests are required to unlock that content. In the case of apartments and housing (correct me if I am wrong, any of you out there) all that is required is to achieve a rank of 1st Lt in your Grand Company and then have enough Gil on hand to be able to make the purchase/bid (oh yes, and unlock access to that particular housing district). THAT IS IT. If those conditions have been met by somebody who has played only a few months compared to how many years you have played, well, too bad, they have just as much right to access that content as you. Those are the rules of the game. YOU are the one trying to inject additional conditions. For what reason, I am not certain but it certainly smacks of some form of perceived superiority for having played longer or earned more Gil. Newsflash, the price on the placard is the price of admittance for entering the Lottery for that property. Having ten times as much Gil doesn't mean a thing beyond being able to enter that Lottery.

[caspergrey]

There's that entitlement again. You really don't understand what entitlement means, do you? Just because you have been playing this game longer than others or have more Gil than others, does not entitle you to any special treatment over others. This game was created to give equal access to all of its content by it's players. The only conditions being that in order to get deeper into the content, you need to do the MSQ and whatever other quests are required to unlock that content. In the case of apartments and housing (correct me if I am wrong, any of you out there) all that is required is to achieve a rank of 1st Lt in your Grand Company and then have enough Gil on hand to be able to make the purchase/bid (oh yes, and unlock access to that particular housing district). THAT IS IT. If those conditions have been met by somebody who has played only a few months compared to how many years you have played, well, too bad, they have just as much right to access that content as you. Those are the rules of the game. YOU are the one trying to inject additional conditions. For what reason, I am not certain but it certainly smacks of some form of perceived superiority for having played longer or earned more Gil. Newsflash, the price on the placard is the price of admittance for entering the Lottery for that property. Having ten times as much Gil doesn't mean a thing beyond being able to enter that Lottery.

I'm not making any antagonistic statements, nor am I attacking anyone personally. Nor am I "Trying to inject my conditions." I'm simply stating that an objectively fair system does not exist, and then presenting example of other things that someone could make an argument for more fair depending on their values on which fairness is being debated. I ask that you please refrain from any personal attacks on what I know or understand.

[XiaoShengwu]

Wow, the level of entitlement in your post, is off the charts. The Lottery IS objectively fair with regards to personal housing because it gives the SAME ACCESS to all who enter it. It does not discriminate based on people's schedules, speed of Internet access, third party addons, time spent playing the game or the amount of Gil players have (as long as the players have the basic plot fee). Everyone who wishes to apply is given the same access. That is objectively fair.

...so going to turn this right back around on you, because the amount of entitlement in YOUR post(s) is, infact, off the chart.

The "RAFFLE" is indeed, not 'objectively' fair. because it does, actually, gate people.
It DOES discriminate based off peoples schedules, (you log in an bid during entry period, but can't during the results week)
It DOES discriminate based off the time spent playing the game, (to be able to bid, you need gil. the way you make gil?, playing the damn game)
and it DOES discriminate based of the amount of gil people have. (i.e. smalls, mediums, larges - 3m, 20m, 50m)

Casper stating the possible arguments people can make isn't entitlement. it's factual. FOR THE PRECISE INSTANCE THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING THOSE ARGUMENTS CURRENTLY.

Casper is entirely correct. Stop using "fair" to defend any one system over another.

[Eraden]

...so going to turn this right back around on you, because the amount of entitlement in YOUR post(s) is, infact, off the chart.

The "RAFFLE" is indeed, not 'objectively' fair. because it does, actually, gate people.
It DOES discriminate based off peoples schedules, (you log in an bid during entry period, but can't during the results week)
It DOES discriminate based off the time spent playing the game, (to be able to bid, you need gil. the way you make gil?, playing the damn game)
and it DOES discriminate based of the amount of gil people have. (i.e. smalls, mediums, larges - 3m, 20m, 50m)

Casper stating the possible arguments people can make isn't entitlement. it's factual. FOR THE PRECISE INSTANCE THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING THOSE ARGUMENTS CURRENTLY.

Casper is entirely correct. Stop using "fair" to defend any one system over another.

My god, you are really trying hard to reach, aren't you? A NINE DAY period for bids and results is easily more than enough time for the vast majority of players. As for the Gil required to place a bid, first, that sort of money is fairly easily come by if you play the game (if you need help with that, check the thread posted in the General forum about this topic) and second, those prices are the same for EVERYONE. I think you are being very disingenuous and possibly even conflating equity with equality. You have to play the game in order to qualify for housing. In fact, you have to play the game to be able to access content, PERIOD. Remember, you also need standing within your GC in order to be able to purchase apartments and houses. The system as it stands right now, has eliminated most non-game advantages and impediments to accessing housing. All that is left is to actually do the content in order to be able to access the ability to participate in the Lottery. Once you have done that content and amassed a sufficient enough amount of Gil, you can enter the Lottery.

[Eris4494]

I don't think it's fair how it is. What if one creates lots of alts on the same account and have them all bid on the same plot for a better chance of winning. You could have 2 accounts then could have up to 16 entries per a plot.

[Drakengarde]

I don't think it's fair how it is. What if one creates lots of alts on the same account and have them all bid on the same plot for a better chance of winning. You could have 2 accounts then could have up to 16 entries per a plot.

That is called strategy lol

[Lustre]

I'm not making any antagonistic statements, nor am I attacking anyone personally. Nor am I "Trying to inject my conditions." I'm simply stating that an objectively fair system does not exist, and then presenting example of other things that someone could make an argument for more fair depending on their values on which fairness is being debated. I ask that you please refrain from any personal attacks on what I know or understand.

Yeah I think you're right here. Because the crux of what is and isnt fair varies by person.

Personally, I believe a system that rewards people who contribute more or put more effort in is fairer than a system that gives everybody a token for showing up. The people asking for "fairness" have essentially locked themselves out of housing due to the odds on said fairness. Quite funny really

[Eraden]

Yeah I think you're right here. Because the crux of what is and isnt fair varies by person.

Personally, I believe a system that rewards people who contribute more or put more effort in is fairer than a system that gives everybody a token for showing up. The people asking for "fairness" have essentially locked themselves out of housing due to the odds on said fairness. Quite funny really

So, in other words, you are applying your own bias and then with the same breath claim that what you are calling for is more fair. The conditions were laid out by SE. Rules for participation have been equally applied to all who wish to participate. The process itself was applied equally to all participants. What you are advocating for is some sort of preferential treatment.

[Aldotsk]

I dont know if it's too fair when there are so many limited houses and you can't choose the plot that you want in this game.

If you lose, then you have to go find subward or another ward to get what you want - but there aren't any plots left at this point.

So truthfully, an instance is needed.