So devs don't understand math.

[DrWho2010]

there are too many people that want private SINGLE houses. the current set up will most likely NEVER be able to provide them with one.

What is probably the theory is that all these people that want housing should create FC's and SHARE housing. The more people that band together the more people that can obtain "housing" for themselves when FC housing is acquired.

BUT the intrinsically selfish nature of people dictates that "I am me and I want my own house and I want to own it alone so I have control" is what most people complain about when there is not enough "private" housing available.

[ameliaw]

there are too many people that want private SINGLE houses. the current set up will most likely NEVER be able to provide them with one.

What is probably the theory is that all these people that want housing should create FC's and SHARE housing. The more people that band together the more people that can obtain "housing" for themselves when FC housing is acquired.

BUT the intrinsically selfish nature of people dictates that "I am me and I want my own house and I want to own it alone so I have control" is what most people complain about when there is not enough "private" housing available.

This is probably what they thought, but it will backfire. It pushes people into doing solo FCs, so it is a little damaging to the community.
Anyway, there's absolutely no way all FC houses will be filled, so give it a few months(until 6.2, maybe?) and the pool of private houses will grow a bit. Too bad it will still be far from enough.

[Jojoya]

there are too many people that want private SINGLE houses. the current set up will most likely NEVER be able to provide them with one.

What is probably the theory is that all these people that want housing should create FC's and SHARE housing. The more people that band together the more people that can obtain "housing" for themselves when FC housing is acquired.

BUT the intrinsically selfish nature of people dictates that "I am me and I want my own house and I want to own it alone so I have control" is what most people complain about when there is not enough "private" housing available.

Except it's not really FC housing for the group. It's FC housing for the FC Master and those the FC Master decides can have access to the housing features. Everyone else is effectively a visitor even though they're FC members.

Players are looking for a personal creative outlet but that requires a measure of control so they can express themselves. That control is absent when access is granted at someone else's whim and that person has the ability to override the player's personal choices, not to mention has given access to others also able to override the player's choice. That's why the demand for personal housing is so high - no one else can interfere.

[Jaquan]

Except it's not really FC housing for the group. It's FC housing for the FC Master and those the FC Master decides can have access to the housing features. Everyone else is effectively a visitor even though they're FC members.

Players are looking for a personal creative outlet but that requires a measure of control so they can express themselves. That control is absent when access is granted at someone else's whim and that person has the ability to override the player's personal choices, not to mention has given access to others also able to override the player's choice. That's why the demand for personal housing is so high - no one else can interfere.

How about getting an apartment then? You'll have limits but it's your own space, costs fraction of what the house costs and you'll never lose it. Seen enough barely decorated houses to feel more than enough people doesn't really commit to the house as much as they claim they do/would.

[Jojoya]

How about getting an apartment then? You'll have limits but it's your own space, costs fraction of what the house costs and you'll never lose it. Seen enough barely decorated houses to feel more than enough people doesn't really commit to the house as much as they claim they do/would.

Apartments lack gardening, which is a feature players commonly want access to.

Apartments lack the ability to place outdoor furnishings.

Apartments lack multiple floors, which makes certain certain decorating tricks impossible without the use of third party mods. Why can players doze on the Manor Couch on the ground floor of my FC's small? Because I floated a bed in the basement up to the ceiling directly under the couch. Try to hide a bed in an apartment to do the same trick uses up a lot of valuable space (and a greater percentage of the item limit). Want a marble staircase? You can do that in a house by floating Marble Paritions up through the ceiling of a lower floor. You can't do it in an apartment.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a proponent for more use of apartments, especially by players worried about taking breaks from the game and worried about demolition. What's the point of having a house in a game you rarely play? But there still are not enough houses for the players who would make regular use of them and want access to the things an apartment can't provide.

As for barely decorated houses, there can be multiple reasons such as the player only wants access to garden/workshop but neither are available without house ownership, or the player likes more sparsely decorated areas. Not everyone wants a house cluttered up like a bad thrift shop.

[Eraden]

Apartments lack gardening, which is a feature players commonly want access to.

Apartments lack the ability to place outdoor furnishings.

Apartments lack multiple floors, which makes certain certain decorating tricks impossible without the use of third party mods. Why can players doze on the Manor Couch on the ground floor of my FC's small? Because I floated a bed in the basement up to the ceiling directly under the couch. Try to hide a bed in an apartment to do the same trick uses up a lot of valuable space (and a greater percentage of the item limit). Want a marble staircase? You can do that in a house by floating Marble Paritions up through the ceiling of a lower floor. You can't do it in an apartment.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a proponent for more use of apartments, especially by players worried about taking breaks from the game and worried about demolition. What's the point of having a house in a game you rarely play? But there still are not enough houses for the players who would make regular use of them and want access to the things an apartment can't provide.

As for barely decorated houses, there can be multiple reasons such as the player only wants access to garden/workshop but neither are available without house ownership, or the player likes more sparsely decorated areas. Not everyone wants a house cluttered up like a bad thrift shop.

I would tend to agree with all of what Jojoya said here. It's also the reason why, I suspect, that Island Sanctuaries are being developed. The developers don't appear to have any interest in dealing with the housing issue in any definitive way. I believe they are implementing Island Sanctuaries to provide players with access to gardening without having to deal with the housing issue.

[Amenara]

I would tend to agree with all of what Jojoya said here. It's also the reason why, I suspect, that Island Sanctuaries are being developed. The developers don't appear to have any interest in dealing with the housing issue in any definitive way. I believe they are implementing Island Sanctuaries to provide players with access to gardening without having to deal with the housing issue.

Using dev resources to ground up create a whole new system to appease a portion of the playerbase instead of using those resources to fix an existing system and appease a much larger portion. Sounds like something they would do to me.

[Jojoya]

I would tend to agree with all of what Jojoya said here. It's also the reason why, I suspect, that Island Sanctuaries are being developed. The developers don't appear to have any interest in dealing with the housing issue in any definitive way. I believe they are implementing Island Sanctuaries to provide players with access to gardening without having to deal with the housing issue.

Except we already know that whatever farming is coming with Island Sanctuary won't be the gardening we have with housing. YoshiP has stated there are no timers involved. The timers in gardening help contribute to the high prices of items like Thavnairian Onions on the MB because few house owners are interested in dealing with the timer stress.

It makes no sense for SE to invest a lot of time and effort into Island Sanctuary if it's intended to be a substitute for housing systems when they could have put the time and effort into updating housing directly instead.

With 6.15 announced for June 7th, we should be getting one of the Live Letters for 6.2 soon. Let's hope they finally release concrete information about Island Sanctuary that will put the speculation and rumors to rest finally.

[Eraden]

Except we already know that whatever farming is coming with Island Sanctuary won't be the gardening we have with housing. YoshiP has stated there are no timers involved. The timers in gardening help contribute to the high prices of items like Thavnairian Onions on the MB because few house owners are interested in dealing with the timer stress.

It makes no sense for SE to invest a lot of time and effort into Island Sanctuary if it's intended to be a substitute for housing systems when they could have put the time and effort into updating housing directly instead.

With 6.15 announced for June 7th, we should be getting one of the Live Letters for 6.2 soon. Let's hope they finally release concrete information about Island Sanctuary that will put the speculation and rumors to rest finally.

The key point here is that it will be some form of gardening. Whether or not it is exactly the same as what is done with house plots is not the focus here. It IS a form of gardening that allows those who do not have houses, to be able to participate in. I strongly suspect that the time and effort that they have spent and will spend on Island Sanctuaries, pales in comparison to what is required to overhaul the housing system. In addition, the developers apparently have already made it clear that instanced housing is off the table. Thus it actually DOES make sense that Island Sanctuaries are an attempt to satisfy at least part of the player base without having to invest the substantial resources required to massively increase the amount of housing that is available.

[Besame]

Except it's not really FC housing for the group. It's FC housing for the FC Master and those the FC Master decides can have access to the housing features. Everyone else is effectively a visitor even though they're FC members.

Players are looking for a personal creative outlet but that requires a measure of control so they can express themselves. That control is absent when access is granted at someone else's whim and that person has the ability to override the player's personal choices, not to mention has given access to others also able to override the player's choice. That's why the demand for personal housing is so high - no one else can interfere.

I agree Jo. Ever been in someone's FC and watch some person with a hair across their *** clean it out and then bail??? I sure have hehe. No snatch n' grab is gonna happen on my watch anyway.