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  1. #11
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Luck View Post
    You struggle on healer? Wow. How? Healing is so easy. Any class.
    He's... saying that Healers are so bad, that he can't find anyone that wants to play it. Not that it's hard.
    That's like... YoshiP levels of misunderstanding, right there.
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  2. #12
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    Azephia Dawn
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    Come on, you obviously can't just remove Healers.

    But they could make every Job play like Healers instead! Then no one would feel bad about Healer design because it would feel the same as everyone else!

    Warrior: Now only has Storm's Eye and Fell Cleave. Every other button converted to a defensive cooldown.

    Black Mage: Now only has Thunder III and Fire IV. Every other button converted to a movement tool.

    etc.
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  3. #13
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Luck View Post
    MCH has Second Wind, and you're totally ignoring potions, but also your 'argument' is completely stupid.
    Coming from someone who thinks pedantry makes them clever...
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  4. #14
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    Relnoria Thelysea
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    Coming from someone who thinks pedantry makes them clever...
    Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

    Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

    Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

    By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame View Post
    Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

    Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

    Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

    By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.
    It's this part what I was responding to:

    What do you want ? Allowing a samourai to heal wound by cutting with his sword in the butt of his comrades ? Or allow Warrior to just make you a hug that will most likely destroy your bones instead of putting everything to place ?
    Does healing with your samurai blade break job fantasies? Well, too bad, that's been in the game for a while.

    As for current balance, no, you can't obviously do that in savage. You could absolutely rebalance the game not to require the healers though, and it would be a lot easier to do than turning the game into something where the strict trinity type of thinking makes sense. Literally deleting all the healer jobs is obviously a satiric criticism of the developers disinterest in the entire role, but unironically the healers should not be framed as a pure healing role because it isn't. It's a support DPS with really crappy DPS rotations.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 05-27-2022 at 05:05 PM.

  6. #16
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame View Post
    Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

    Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

    Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

    By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.
    Fun fact, one of the current savage fights has been cleared with no healer. When it was current. Not with echo, not outgeared.

    Healers aren't quite "useless" yet, but they're as close to it as they've ever been. FFXIV is barely a trinity game. DPS as a metric matters far, far, far more than the other two trinity roles. Healers cast their boring damage spam hundreds of times in any given savage floor.
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  7. #17
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    Martyn Dracht
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    Lich
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Look, I'm sorry if having self-heals absolutely destroys your SAM/BLM/MCH/whatever class fantasy, but spamming glare as a white mage destroys my healer class fantasy. So, in the nicest way I can say this... Get stuffed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Luck View Post
    You struggle on healer? Wow. How? Healing is so easy. Any class.
    Quote Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame View Post
    Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

    Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

    Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

    By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.
    Basic reading comprehension is an essential component of discussion.
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    Last edited by Martynek; 05-27-2022 at 09:01 PM.

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    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Make Blue Mage full time job. Healing stance is fun with rotation to boot xd. Cant wait for lvl 80 limit. Blue heals makes the full time healers meh.
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  10. #19
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    Draygomir Wrothlasch
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    Leviathan
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    Or maybe instead of trying to convince your friends to be your pocket healer...you main healer instead.
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    "Wherever you go, there you are." ~ Buckaroo Bonzai

  11. #20
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    Martyn Dracht
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    Lich
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    Quote Originally Posted by D6Damager View Post
    Or maybe instead of trying to convince your friends to be your pocket healer...you main healer instead.
    To be quite honest, I would rather swim a mile in a sea of broken glass than be subjected to an hour of playing this game's healers.
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    Last edited by Martynek; 05-27-2022 at 10:43 PM.

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