What's the logic for "dps meter"/statistics in PvP but not other content?

[IDontPetLalas]

You can have the highest number of kills in CC or FL and still lose the match because you ignored the objectives or traded kills.
Similarly you can heal like a boss and put up great damage but get no kills, but you stuck with your team and got a high number of assists and a low number of deaths. maybe your team won, maybe they lost, depending upon cc or FL, but you can look at their deaths to see how they did.

I don't see why there wouldn't be a personal log that would be displayed in PVE, for % active, deaths, skills, overhealing, and damage.

By the way, the discussion about which is more toxic is moot, yes there can be toxicity in PVP, however that also exists in PVE. It is perfectly possible to be competitive in PVP without being "toxic" just as there are many extremely skilled PVErs that are not in the least toxic.

[Elesh]

You can have the highest number of kills in CC or FL and still lose the match because you ignored the objectives or traded kills.
Similarly you can heal like a boss and put up great damage but get no kills, but you stuck with your team and got a high number of assists and a low number of deaths. maybe your team won, maybe they lost, depending upon cc or FL, but you can look at their deaths to see how they did.

I don't see why there wouldn't be a personal log that would be displayed in PVE, for % active, deaths, skills, overhealing, and damage.

By the way, the discussion about which is more toxic is moot, yes there can be toxicity in PVP, however that also exists in PVE. It is perfectly possible to be competitive in PVP without being "toxic" just as there are many extremely skilled PVErs that are not in the least toxic.

Ya, there's toxicity everywhere. While it is generally true that once direct competition becomes involved, peoples' emotions become more invested in it which can lead to an increase in negativity... toxicity is impossible to avoid anytime you get a group of people in the same place. Whether it's caused by disagreements, stress, or other factors... it's unavoidable. Just gotta deal with it as it comes.

[Liam_Harper]

If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point? At that point everyone already beat the DPS check and it serves no point other than e-peen comparisons.

There's no e-peen comparison because there's no one to show off to. The Duty's over. You can't whip those numbers out and wave them about in public.

It would be purely for personal improvement or motivation. If you did badly compared to the other party members, you know something is up with your gameplay and it's a helpful indicator without anyone being rude to you. If you did really well, you have the satisfaction that your group will see you contributed, but you can't abuse it to rub it in or harass other members because the Duty is over. It's just a small motivation to push your best.

It basically works that way in PvP and there's no reason it wouldn't be similar in PvE.

[CosmicCoqui]

In PvP you're getting direct feedback if you were doing good or not through damage done, healing done, assists, etc. As you should, because that's the feedback you need for improving.

Why PvE has no feedback at all aside from you dying to a boss enrage makes no sense to me, considering that those dps checks always exist and the devs obviously use tools to calculate the damage players can do to tune those checks, but we aren't allowed that information, to the frustration of everyone who would like to use those statistics for improving on themselves.

Because it will just lead to a toxic environment. Yoshi said this because he was an avid WoW player and seen it a lot there. Yes the ToS is against harassment of any kind but its better to prevent that then just open the flood gates.

[Reimmi]

Because PvP is competitive. PvE is not meant to be competitive and judging by WoW, seeing eachother's damage makes it competitive. PvE is even competitive already in this game, but it's not allowed to be discussed in the game so anyone who ignores outside of the game doesn't have to feel like it's competitive.

Then why do savage/extreme raids have enrage timers?

We need a way to tell if someone is unfit for the content, or this content needs to have no enrages

(preferably the former)

IMO make it so Stone, sky, sea is -mandatory- to clear before entering the raids

[Necrotica]

The devs have no idea what they are doing in PVP.

[Lihtleita]

The devs have no idea what they are doing in PVP.

....do you mean they should remove the kda screen at the end or are you just lost

[Saraide]

....do you mean they should remove the kda screen at the end or are you just lost

The question of the thread was were the logic was. A lack of logic can be explained by not having a real idea what to do with pvp.

[NekoMataMata]

Probably because it's pvp and they're not expecting people to fight over it, especially at the end of the match. Unless it gets incredibly out of hand and they feel that there's a lot of toxicity that's stemming directly from the end match scoreboard they won't do anything.

[Lihtleita]

Probably because it's pvp and they're not expecting people to fight over it

they literally took out party chat because it was so toxic