What's the logic for "dps meter"/statistics in PvP but not other content?

[Liam_Harper]

If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point? At that point everyone already beat the DPS check and it serves no point other than e-peen comparisons.

There's no e-peen comparison because there's no one to show off to. The Duty's over. You can't whip those numbers out and wave them about in public.

It would be purely for personal improvement or motivation. If you did badly compared to the other party members, you know something is up with your gameplay and it's a helpful indicator without anyone being rude to you. If you did really well, you have the satisfaction that your group will see you contributed, but you can't abuse it to rub it in or harass other members because the Duty is over. It's just a small motivation to push your best.

It basically works that way in PvP and there's no reason it wouldn't be similar in PvE.

[LeonKeyh]

There's no e-peen comparison because there's no one to show off to. The Duty's over. You can't whip those numbers out and wave them about in public.

It would be purely for personal improvement or motivation. If you did badly compared to the other party members, you know something is up with your gameplay and it's a helpful indicator without anyone being rude to you. If you did really well, you have the satisfaction that your group will see you contributed, but you can't abuse it to rub it in or harass other members because the Duty is over. It's just a small motivation to push your best.

It basically works that way in PvP and there's no reason it wouldn't be similar in PvE.

I would love to have something like this in-game because I'm a console pleb and need to rely on other people uploading logs; But personal improvement/motivation is likely only to be the case for a very small amount of people, and I imagine that small amount of people (e.g. me) are already trying to improve as much as possible.

The "utopia" would be that "bad" players realize they're bad and try to improve, but in my experience, bad players have no intention of improving, no matter how much you throw it into their face.

As a person that, again, would love to have something like this, I don't see much positive value and plenty of negatives with adding it. If there are people who are under performing, the constant "reminder" of it may end up causing them to quit the game.

I think the main reason why it's "ok" in PvP is because it's not part of the main content, it's side-content. But, I don't know how they justify it otherwise.

[technole]

Results are after the game is over and practically every player has already left the instance, so that avoids potential harassment.

Also we are taking PvP jobs here and not PvE. So you don't have the same array of skills and engagement like you do in PvE. You'll go through periods of no damage/healing in Secure or Onsal.

Damage in PvP isn't the full story. You can rack up a lot of kills with less damage because you are a finisher. You could be an assist leader because you put up a lot of damage due to CC, but don't get as many kills.

Damage taken in PvP doesn't tell the full story, maybe you were engaged a lot. You can take a lot of damage and still be top in K/D ratio.

K/D/A ratio is really all that matters in terms of contribution. Not damage per-se.

[RobynDaBank]

At this point you should honestly advocate for an FFLogs-like overview of all statistics. What are you going to do with a DPS number? You'll know you messed up, but will you remember when? PvE content isn't the same as PvP with a few buttons and unpredictability that can modify your rotation a bit. Would be better to get every crumb of information rather than just "here's how much you did, GL figuring out what bit it was you could improve at".

[Elesh]

At this point you should honestly advocate for an FFLogs-like overview of all statistics. What are you going to do with a DPS number? You'll know you messed up, but will you remember when? PvE content isn't the same as PvP with a few buttons and unpredictability that can modify your rotation a bit. Would be better to get every crumb of information rather than just "here's how much you did, GL figuring out what bit it was you could improve at".

Honestly... what I really want is a built-in personal dps meter that only shows your own personal performance but that you can export to a text log so you can use tools to analyze it...

But I'll settle for anything we can talk the team into giving us. lol

[RobynDaBank]

Honestly... what I really want is a built-in personal dps meter that only shows your own personal performance but that you can export to a text log so you can use tools to analyze it...

But I'll settle for anything we can talk the team into giving us. lol

TBH it'll be futile to make it personal. Groups will demand your stats anyway. If they ever go through with it they'll keep it public I feel. But yeah, such a tool would be awesome.

[IDontPetLalas]

You can have the highest number of kills in CC or FL and still lose the match because you ignored the objectives or traded kills.
Similarly you can heal like a boss and put up great damage but get no kills, but you stuck with your team and got a high number of assists and a low number of deaths. maybe your team won, maybe they lost, depending upon cc or FL, but you can look at their deaths to see how they did.

I don't see why there wouldn't be a personal log that would be displayed in PVE, for % active, deaths, skills, overhealing, and damage.

By the way, the discussion about which is more toxic is moot, yes there can be toxicity in PVP, however that also exists in PVE. It is perfectly possible to be competitive in PVP without being "toxic" just as there are many extremely skilled PVErs that are not in the least toxic.

[Elesh]

You can have the highest number of kills in CC or FL and still lose the match because you ignored the objectives or traded kills.
Similarly you can heal like a boss and put up great damage but get no kills, but you stuck with your team and got a high number of assists and a low number of deaths. maybe your team won, maybe they lost, depending upon cc or FL, but you can look at their deaths to see how they did.

I don't see why there wouldn't be a personal log that would be displayed in PVE, for % active, deaths, skills, overhealing, and damage.

By the way, the discussion about which is more toxic is moot, yes there can be toxicity in PVP, however that also exists in PVE. It is perfectly possible to be competitive in PVP without being "toxic" just as there are many extremely skilled PVErs that are not in the least toxic.

Ya, there's toxicity everywhere. While it is generally true that once direct competition becomes involved, peoples' emotions become more invested in it which can lead to an increase in negativity... toxicity is impossible to avoid anytime you get a group of people in the same place. Whether it's caused by disagreements, stress, or other factors... it's unavoidable. Just gotta deal with it as it comes.

[Necrotica]

The devs have no idea what they are doing in PVP.

[Lihtleita]

The devs have no idea what they are doing in PVP.

....do you mean they should remove the kda screen at the end or are you just lost