What's the logic for "dps meter"/statistics in PvP but not other content?

[Xirean]

I think it more has to do with potential harassment. I only pvp once a day and never look at the results. I genuinely don't care as I'm only there for exp or wolf marks. If they showed stats at the end of duties I personally wouldn't like it. I'm not a fan of things being a contest and there are a lot of people who would treat those stats as a contest. Having personal numbers that you can hide? Sure maybe. But then it would be a question of how people respond to that information being presented. Would the devs take it away if it created a more hostile experience? If they did then people would be even more upset. Seems like a tough situation and I'm not sure how to improve it.

[SenorPatty]

It has to be also noted that there's no do-over for "failing" a pvp session. If you jump into any instanced pve content, minus potd/hoh, and wipe that content, you restart the encounter. This is usually the part where conversations start about who/what went wrong. In pvp, that encounter is final. Next encounter might be with complete new set of strangers, allies and competition alike so you can't go over what went wrong. Perhaps that's why they left this minimal parsing because devs knew there's not much the playerbase can do with it.

[VerdeLuck]

When would be considered over? After every wipe? After a party disband? After a full lockout?
There's no way to break up PvE content the same way a PvP match can be, with a final scoreboard after it's finished.
If you show it every after wipe then it's not over. If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point? At that point everyone already beat the DPS check and it serves no point other than e-peen comparisons.
Everyone already cleared the content, they can clearly beat the DPS checks, so what's the point in going over who did what percentage of damage for that clear?

[Lihtleita]

When would be considered over? After every wipe? After a party disband? After a full lockout?

after clear or party ko

If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point?

personal improvement, same reason as pvp

Everyone already cleared the content, they can clearly beat the DPS checks, so what's the point in going over who did what percentage of damage for that clear?

make it a toggle, like the duty record function

[zeth07]

When would be considered over? After every wipe? After a party disband? After a full lockout?
There's no way to break up PvE content the same way a PvP match can be, with a final scoreboard after it's finished.

If you show it every after wipe then it's not over. If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point? At that point everyone already beat the DPS check and it serves no point other than e-peen comparisons.
Everyone already cleared the content, they can clearly beat the DPS checks, so what's the point in going over who did what percentage of damage for that clear?

That's the point of this thread to be honest. It's the fact that PvP shows it and by the literal same logic there is NO REASON to since the match is over and done with, but they do. There are of course reasons people would want to see them obviously, which goes back to the question of if it's fine in PvP why isn't it fine in the other content.

It is implied that there IS a reason they are showing it in PvP, so shouldn't that same reason apply to PvE? The argument about the toxicity it would cause should be rightfully applied to PvP, especially given it's nature, but it's clearly not. And if that toxicity is moderated with reports, then it shouldn't be an issue with dealing with it if it comes up in PvE when that's how it is treated for PvP.

As for why should it be shown in PvE after a clear, for the same reasons other sources are using this information already. Maybe you want to see how fast you can clear and improve, like speed kills. Maybe you want to keep track of your personal dps and see if your doing better. Or maybe you have a group and want to compare team compositions.

Which brings me back to the point of why is it in PvP then? Or why does PvP show your whole party and enemies if the only answer is "personal growth"? And again, why is it ok in PvP but not PvE if the whole groups are displayed for the world to see?

[Elesh]

When would be considered over? After every wipe? After a party disband? After a full lockout?
There's no way to break up PvE content the same way a PvP match can be, with a final scoreboard after it's finished.
If you show it every after wipe then it's not over. If you show it after a completed clear, then what's the point? At that point everyone already beat the DPS check and it serves no point other than e-peen comparisons.
Everyone already cleared the content, they can clearly beat the DPS checks, so what's the point in going over who did what percentage of damage for that clear?

From a personal perspective in raids, I would like to see it after a clear so I can know whether I am pulling my own weight amongst my team. I am playing with my friends and I don't want them to be dragging me across the finish line, I want to be running alongside them... and without knowing my numbers, it's hard to be sure whether that's the case or not.

[technole]

Results are after the game is over and practically every player has already left the instance, so that avoids potential harassment.

Also we are taking PvP jobs here and not PvE. So you don't have the same array of skills and engagement like you do in PvE. You'll go through periods of no damage/healing in Secure or Onsal.

Damage in PvP isn't the full story. You can rack up a lot of kills with less damage because you are a finisher. You could be an assist leader because you put up a lot of damage due to CC, but don't get as many kills.

Damage taken in PvP doesn't tell the full story, maybe you were engaged a lot. You can take a lot of damage and still be top in K/D ratio.

K/D/A ratio is really all that matters in terms of contribution. Not damage per-se.

[RobynDaBank]

At this point you should honestly advocate for an FFLogs-like overview of all statistics. What are you going to do with a DPS number? You'll know you messed up, but will you remember when? PvE content isn't the same as PvP with a few buttons and unpredictability that can modify your rotation a bit. Would be better to get every crumb of information rather than just "here's how much you did, GL figuring out what bit it was you could improve at".

[Elesh]

At this point you should honestly advocate for an FFLogs-like overview of all statistics. What are you going to do with a DPS number? You'll know you messed up, but will you remember when? PvE content isn't the same as PvP with a few buttons and unpredictability that can modify your rotation a bit. Would be better to get every crumb of information rather than just "here's how much you did, GL figuring out what bit it was you could improve at".

Honestly... what I really want is a built-in personal dps meter that only shows your own personal performance but that you can export to a text log so you can use tools to analyze it...

But I'll settle for anything we can talk the team into giving us. lol

[RobynDaBank]

Honestly... what I really want is a built-in personal dps meter that only shows your own personal performance but that you can export to a text log so you can use tools to analyze it...

But I'll settle for anything we can talk the team into giving us. lol

TBH it'll be futile to make it personal. Groups will demand your stats anyway. If they ever go through with it they'll keep it public I feel. But yeah, such a tool would be awesome.