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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xquiel View Post
    Yes, they are balancing just that, that's why PLD controls better the hate
    Which limits us to one tank. One tank out of the plethora of jobs in the FF IP is a bad idea. Figured we'd have learned this from FFXI...
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
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    Xquiel's Avatar
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    Xquiel Kun
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    Hyperion
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    Weaver Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Which limits us to one tank. One tank out of the plethora of jobs in the FF IP is a bad idea. Figured we'd have learned this from FFXI...
    they're not limiting u to one tank, as u can see WAR and PLD can tank, each one has their pros and cons, but u have two jobs to choose no just one.
    PLD = Better hate control
    WAR = Better DMG
    In my opinion I like more the PLD as tank, because DDs can get mad with DMG haha =)
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    Firon Veleth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xquiel View Post
    they're not limiting u to one tank, as u can see WAR and PLD can tank, each one has their pros and cons, but u have two jobs to choose no just one.
    PLD = Better hate control
    WAR = Better DMG
    In my opinion I like more the PLD as tank, because DDs can get mad with DMG haha =)
    One thing i do know about pld it tanks super good with melee around them I don't think any skill in the game gives more hate than rampart when it hits everyone. I have been doing moogle on pld pre 1.21a hotfix and i just let DD's go crazy and have i just get yellow or red hate on every mob before the boom spell and rampart makes every single moogle go to flashing red XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xquiel View Post
    they're not limiting u to one tank, as u can see WAR and PLD can tank, each one has their pros and cons, but u have two jobs to choose no just one.
    PLD = Better hate control
    WAR = Better DMG
    In my opinion I like more the PLD as tank, because DDs can get mad with DMG haha =)
    DD's need to learn control and not pull hate its that simple!!
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    Crim Soukyuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxthunder View Post
    DD's need to learn control and not pull hate its that simple!!
    If the tank doesn't generate enough hate, it's not a good tank. If another class can generate more hate more reliably, it should be used as a tank instead. Having DDs slow down to not pull hate only makes them underperform, which means less damage and slower kills.

    If PLD can generate enough hate so that DDs don't have to hold back at all, it might be the better choice. So far people seem to be sticking with "WAR still can tank, you must suck" (exaggeratedly put), instead of testing PLD thoroughly and comparing them. I myself am not playing PLD nor WAR because I don't like the tanking role so don't look at me for actual test cases.

    Best would be parsing the total dps of the group, using WAR + DDs and PLD +DDs a couple of rounds and get an average.
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    Player Riv's Avatar
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    N'aivir Alexaire
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Which limits us to one tank. One tank out of the plethora of jobs in the FF IP is a bad idea. Figured we'd have learned this from FFXI...
    Because the one tank from before (WAR) was any different. Lol.
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I had a Warrior tank with 4 MNK and he never lost hate o.o Maybe you aren't tanking too well?

    Paladin is a lot better now, people need to move away from the past
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    I know how to tank.
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    Leo Hart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyres View Post
    I know how to tank.
    why you ask if you know how to tank?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyres View Post
    I know how to tank.
    I don't know if this applies to you but from my expirience 9/10 People who say this do not know how to tank.
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