"balancing" some jobs

[Thorime]

However 10K is fair enough, 12k is a bit overbuff imo.

They overbuffed BLM, that's my point. It didn't need that many buffs since it was already in a decent spot, maybe just a bit of a DoT buff or something but not that overall huge increase.

[NyneSwordz]

Bro. Warrior gets dosed down easy. And their limit break isn't even good most of the time. What rank are you in Crystal Conflict anyway?

[SweetPete]

You guys forgetting. Astro is the hidden gem here. They are extremely overpowered. I am saying this as someone who mains it in PvP. I can literally not be killed even when all 5 are on me. They can turn the tides of battle so fast it will make your head spin. Talking about War, Whm, Nin etc. Need to be looking at Astro.

[Gserpent]

You guys forgetting. Astro is the hidden gem here. They are extremely overpowered. I am saying this as someone who mains it in PvP. I can literally not be killed even when all 5 are on me. They can turn the tides of battle so fast it will make your head spin. Talking about War, Whm, Nin etc. Need to be looking at Astro.

I agree. AST is insane right now. I'm glad they toned down Benefic but it still needs more reductions - why do they get a 10k instant heal while WHM has to stand still and cast for 12k and the other healers only get 8k? Why did they increase Macrocosmos damage when double Gravity was already the second-highest burst of any healer?

SCH is my favorite class and the one I play the most often, but AST is the only choice if you really want to try and push rank. It carries so much harder than any other.

[Cheremia]

You guys forgetting. Astro is the hidden gem here. They are extremely overpowered. I am saying this as someone who mains it in PvP. I can literally not be killed even when all 5 are on me. They can turn the tides of battle so fast it will make your head spin. Talking about War, Whm, Nin etc. Need to be looking at Astro.

Not disagreeing with ast being strong but there is no way you can „not die“ when 5 people focus you. Unless they are asleep. You can survive it a bit if they dont want to waste many resources on only you, but unkillable is very overblown and untrue.

Thats not how it works.

Ast is really good tho.

Nin is fine and needs people rapidly being under 50% and staying under it.
Just because theres good people out there doesnt make it op.

Whats a nin gonna do if the team doesnt help soften people? Kill one person with it, cool. Nin being called op just goes to show how people either:
A: Do not recup
B: Recup way too much for way too little damage, so they run out of mp
C: Not guard early enough so they eat damage
D: Do not retreat to pot.
All of that are issues (i'm not perfect, happens to everybody, especially the guard thing) that happen to many people. It's not nins fault that people are too afraid to heal and run in with barely mp, just to get ganged up on and killed by the nin.

War is weak, whm has barely any pressure and if people wouldnt line up in the middle of hallways, their lb is garbage.

Poly needs to be purifyable tho.

Edit: You also have to factor in if nin wastes their lb or not.
Yes, that is a big factor. With how strong people can be with ganging up on single people, you can just fall over from being nuked (happens to me sometimes, i just... fall over). If a nin choses to lb kill them for whatever reason, it's wasted.
They HAVE to soften up somebody else as fast as possible after. Do they manage alone?
If the enemy doesnt fight back at all, maybe.
If they run and heal or get stunned themself by the enemy team, then no, absolutely not.

If you all run around with no mp and no hp, that means that you are losing this engagement and you chose to not retreat, you deserve to be chain lb'ed by a nin. Because at this point, anybody of the enemy team can kill you, too.

[TheGrimace]

Shukuchi is good when it works, but there are plenty of tines where I will use it and immediately have cover blown due to AOE or having a cast on me land. In which case, I'm often a sitting duck. It absolutely has helped me get away from enemy parties in the past, but it's never a guarantee and fails as an escape just as much.

[SweetPete]

Not disagreeing with ast being strong but there is no way you can „not die“ when 5 people focus you. Unless they are asleep. You can survive it a bit if they dont want to waste many resources on only you, but unkillable is very overblown and untrue.

It’s happened. Many times. Maybe they blew their stuns/silence/Poly on my other teammates and when they came for me they had no CC. It’s happened. I’ve survived. Aspected benefic is instant and can double cast it for shield also using macrocosmos while running towards a potion if I am out of mana for recuperate. I’ve seen Whm do it as well. I’m not saying every match I was that lucky. If I am CC well then yeah of course I’ll die like anyone but it’s very rare that I die when I play Ast.

[Cheremia]

It’s happened. Many times. Maybe they blew their stuns/silence/Poly on my other teammates and when they came for me they had no CC. It’s happened. I’ve survived. Aspected benefic is instant and can double cast it for shield also using macrocosmos while running towards a potion if I am out of mana for recuperate. I’ve seen Whm do it as well. I’m not saying every match I was that lucky. If I am CC well then yeah of course I’ll die like anyone but it’s very rare that I die when I play Ast.

See, you just said the reason you survive longer sometimes. So do I, but i also survive a lot as smn sometimes and as a sch too.
It is because people either have no resources, or do not want to waste them on only you.

This alone does not make ast op. Ast brings way more pressure than whm, that is true tho. People sleep on ast because "whm lazer so good and go brr and all that ree".

Nin definitely can be super annoying, but they alone do not benefit from all the power they have. They alone can not chain LB people. They need their team for plays like that. That does not make nin op.


Also Dancer LB has to work faster and be full 5 seconds always without the stupid hitting requirement. I don't understand why it's like this.

[IsaacMerquise]

Here's a good balance. Force of nature now gets stopped by resilience. The fact that it doesn't is mind boggling.

[Vatom]

First it was SAM now it’s nin jeez when does it end

Gserpent has solid points even if I disagree with some *FoN* cough I agree with the others and I have to apologize I see what you mean about positioning a lot more now

But you are fighting the hard fights good luck