Arcanist and Summoner: a possible solution

[ThorneDynasty]

Not saying this post is bad, but it points out one fundamental thing. No matter what SE does no one will be happy with Summoner.

Well Square did that to themselves in 6.0.

The best thing would be to use the rework as a base but increase the complexity exponentially going forward. The people who've come attached to new-SMN for it's simplicity will just freestyle anyway which will not matter to the normal content they play, and the people who liked the old will at least get more meat on their job again.

[Eloah]

Well Square did that to themselves in 6.0.

The best thing would be to use the rework as a base but increase the complexity exponentially going forward. The people who've come attached to new-SMN for it's simplicity will just freestyle anyway which will not matter to the normal content they play, and the people who liked the old will at least get more meat on their job again.

You realize this new rework is a new base for them to branch off of, right?

Besides the cap Summoner reached, people always complained that XIV's Summoner wasn't a "true/real" Summoner, which isn't even a thing. Now XIV's iteration is closer to that idea and people still aren't happy.

Also, does the OP know that the classes are just pre-versions of the jobs.

[ThorneDynasty]

You realize this new rework is a new base for them to branch off of, right?

Yeah, uh, the whole "the rework isn't perfect but it's a good base to work on, right, right??" thing hasn't really worked out in the past, has it. I had the same hopium for 5.0 tanks.

[FalfaK]

Yeah, uh, the whole "the rework isn't perfect but it's a good base to work on, right, right??" thing hasn't really worked out in the past, has it. I had the same hopium for 5.0 tanks.

*Glances at healers*

Yep, checks out.

Also deleted the previous post cus I'm dumb and can't use the forums apparently.

[Eloah]

I believe the OP is aware of that fact, but they also stated that jobs now have no longer needed such a restriction since HW. I'm assuming they want SMN to be separated from the base root of ACN due to the discrepancy of lore and play not blending between the two, if I read the first post correctly.

While the class/job thing is now a relic of the "past" it's too ingrained in the game now to alter. That's why SMN and SCH are still connected, despite being as seperated as possible without altering the code. If anything, this new Summoner rework allows them to add a new job that is DoT based.

Yeah, uh, the whole "the rework isn't perfect but it's a good base to work on, right, right??" thing hasn't really worked out in the past, has it. I had the same hopium for 5.0 tanks.

I understand the skepticism, but the key difference there is, that was a rework for a role, but this is a single job.

[ThorneDynasty]

I understand the skepticism, but the key difference there is, that was a rework for a role, but this is a single job.

I can't set myself up for disappointment again, but you do you. I think people said the same thing about Monk and Scholar too though, and well, it looks like all paths lead down to either aimless path to identity loss or an endless loop of equally aimless reworks.

EDIT: I mean, I guess you can argue Scholar was just preamble to the whole healer role thing, but that just makes me worry more about the current DPS direction.

[rewd]

I understand the skepticism, but the key difference there is, that was a rework for a role, but this is a single job.

Machinist sends its regards.