Revert Samurai 6.08

[Kira_Yaeger]

SAM changes are ridiculous. Honestly, what were you devs thinking? Why do you INSIST of lowering the skill ceilings on every class?? What did SAM do to deserve these changes?? What are you SMOKING devs? Who approved this?? The class has barely ANY synergy with ANY raid buffs anymore. The class is a mindless shinten-spam simulator with NO identity. It DOESNT feel good to crit everything. It DOESNT feel good that goken is now just a worse circle AOE for NO REASON. STOP caving to players that DON'T PLAY THE GAME. Its honestly REDICULOUS. Kaiten was CORE gameplay to SAM. CORE. Kenki management doesnt EXIST ANYMORE. There is NO SOUL in SAM. It just feels like what would be considered a cash grab in a video game!! I spent so long on this class, mastering it and every aspect of the class. I enjoyed that the skill ceiling was low that anyone could pick it up and play it and that those that spent the time learning it were rewarded. Now, it's just a dead class. The amount of players that stopped playing it from 6.0 to 6.1 is 15% just going based off of FFLogs, which I don't care if you say you don't use it you obviously do for class balancing. 15% DROP in play rate. IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT GOOD. Admit you screwed up, and revert the job.

[TyrAtatoskr]

SAM 6.08 was poorly thought out. an even better example than the kaiten removal-goken spam i think, though i forget the name of the move, but we have exactly 1 line aoe OGCD and literally no reason other than its' own sake to go out of the pack to use it. the class just flows poorly; it's incredibly janky.

can we as a community call for the change of office (demotion/"sideways promotion") of whoever suggested these changes, or is there a rule against that? i understand firing in japan is not nearly as lax and it can cause legal problems, but i don't think whoever said these changes need to exist (and in a patch no less) should be in charge of making further changes.

[RyuuZero]

I like that Enpi doesn't eat Meikyo Shisui though yes, everything else has to be changed back, my initial Idea to compliment the guaranteed Crit would've been that Kaiten would give the next attack Direct Hit, so you always Direct Crit your Midare/Ogi.. but Circle Goken is bad.. so yeah outside of the Enpi QoL 6.08 needs to return!

[CelestiCer]

Genuinely despise the 6.1 changes. Gave it a honest attempt to like it, I believe the requested phrase was " Give it a try ", and it's terrible a far-cry from what we used to have.

Recently did community service. Helping players in PF (re-)clear Pandæmonium savage fights and Extreme's. Endslinger I am still practicing the 5 head mechanic. Big moments in fights just have less weight to the execution. Mechanics are still the same, but rotation execution feels spoon-fed. My practice now feels equally comparable to a (off-role) Samurai player that only has played for less then a day.

Helping players level through PF, dungeon queues short - I find myself in ARR casting no Kaiten AoE rotations and having to fill it with Shinten cause my Kyuten isn't available pre-Lv62. Even if I had that, my Tenka Goken feels weightless now, no oomph or impact. Only to help players do EW MSQ at the Tower of Babil and finding myself throwing Circle AoE's, standing 99% of the time stationary... utterly boring compared to what I used to experience.

The logic behind these changes barely makes any sense in terms of " Can you clear content? " cause I doubt anyone more or less difficulty clearing content on Samurai before or after. Those who didn't care to learn won't even care about these changes to begin with. And a small percentage likes these changes because either they are lazy to learn, or they love being able to parse easier, or like the reduced RNG damage variance and fluctuations that could have been addressed without ruining the playstyle that many of us fell in love with to begin with.

It's borderline impressive... to be able to have had something so enjoyable, something I finally found I like the most and the only thing I like playing, to feel so draining to play. I tried other jobs, I don't like other jobs, I don't like their playstyle's nor aesthetics I like Samurai. I loved it in 6.08, I hate it now in 6.1 and beyond.

+1 the OP

[Ruminous]

Genuinely despise the 6.1 changes. Gave it a honest attempt to like it, I believe the requested phrase was " Give it a try"

"Give it a try" = please beta test our shit.

[CelestiCer]

I've added the thread to the " Compiled SAM threads against Kaiten removal ".

"Give it a try" = please beta test our shit.

" Give it a try " - they said
" We gave it a try " - we said

" Give us feedback " - they said
" We gave our feedback " - we said

It sucks, it's horrible, revert it. Admit you messed up! Give back our Kaiten!!