Still waiting for SAM changes to be reverted

[Ruminous]

isn't it kinda weird how they do hotfix balance changes for PvP, but then for PvE it takes them literal months to get ANYTHING out?
Dragoons and Astro's are already sweating for 6.2 since they want to make jobs more "controller friendly" (which is just stupid, 32 buttons is plenty for every job)
only really AST is controller unfriendly, but without making the cards automatic they can't fix it.
and from what i've heard, Dragoon is in an good spot.

To be fair if they did do away with the undraw action (that no one puts on their bar anyway), I doubt many of us would lose sleep over that. But yeah, 6.2 would scare me if I was either one of those classes. Samurais already got put on the block, those two are definitely next.

[darkdyllon]

It's completely fair to not play the game if your favorite job was gimped since that is a massive part of the fun factor. I'm lucky that I had other DPS jobs I enjoy besides SAM otherwise I'd probably be in the same boat. He has no obligation to give the game his time or money if it doesn't earn it

exactly this.
i was a PLD main and SAM as my secondary job. (was fairly good at it)
then i grew bored of PLD in endwalker, just feels off so i went SAM but my current static didn't need an melee, so i switched to red mage and never looked back and glad i switched concidering this.
when i heard Yoshi say "kaiten will be removed" i yelled "WHAT?!" out loud (was i think 5 or 6 AM) just complete shock that they would get rid of something so iconic to SAM.
sure Kaiten was an OGCD you would press all the time, but that was what made it good to use.
it became an part of the rotation, it linked massive damage and your job resource together, it felt like you were working up to something.
now it just feels like 1-2-3, 1-4-5, 1-6, midare and tada, low crit damage?! what?!

I remember the feeling in shadowbringers (likely why i also fell out of love with PLD) where my Midare hit for 200k (an absurd number, but it was just cool to see that 200k hit)
same with PLD before the stat squish, my confiteor hit for 80k on an crit/DH and it felt really good, not it hits for 20k orso, just felt bad.

[darkdyllon]

To be fair if they did do away with the undraw action (that no one puts on their bar anyway), I doubt many of us would lose sleep over that. But yeah, 6.2 would scare me if I was either one of those classes. Samurais already got put on the block, those two are definitely next.

Yoshi already stated DRG and AST are next for fine tuning and yeah, undraw is pointless, if it would give you back the draw (or an partial refund i guess) it would be a lot better (i stopped caring about AST after stormblood when they took the importance of cards away, back when an Bole would be an defensive card and melee were praying for a spire on them, now it's just "I DRAW! damage card for DPS!")

hope they don't gut the jobs too much, would be really depressing to see all jobs just go to hell because Yoshi wants to cater to the turbo casuals which the changes aren't even gonna affect.
that's why taking Kaiten away was so weird, i get that they want to start future proofing jobs, but save these changes for a big rework in 7.0, i get that they have difficulities balancing around Kaiten (lol) but again, keep these things till 7.0 and reveal the removal of Kaiten, which would be met with a lot of ???? but then also reveal the system replacing Kaiten.

Kaitens removal didn't change anything, outside of savage/ultimate you never need to use Kaiten, it feels good and looks good, but that's it for extreme and down content.

[Ruminous]

"I DRAW! damage card for DPS!"

Ah-ha! I anticipated your dps draw and now I'll play my face down card, randomized symbol! It gives me a seal and forces you to play it on a target of my choosing! And your draw allows me to play another card face down!

[CelestiCer]

Added your thread to the " Compiled SAM threads against Kaiten removal ".

They have yet to address this mess up. For some reason they can acknowledge, apologize and address everything from RMT advertisements, to PvP hacks to lewd plates and housing lottery as well as buffing BLM PvP and also address BLM PvP overtuned and then adjust BLM PvP changes it in a very short time span... but not our SAM changes!!