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    Can we talk about the Yoshi P double standard and bias here?

    So clearly many people have seen the pvp changes etc about Blm and how Yoshi P has been playing blm in pvp lately and how ever since he didn’t blm is now immediately getting major attention and major buffs…. Can we talk about just how much of a double standard this is? The same man who told healer mains to basically f off and go play ultimate if they want their role to be engaging is….almost certainly the one pushing for these buffs for this job in pvp. What’s wrong Yoshi P? Just go play a different job or go play ultimate if you want blm to feel engaging right? This needs to be called out more. Also before anyone comments, yes i know blm needed buffs, but i don’t think anyone will argue that these buffs are a bit tone deaf to blm’s actual problems in pvp and mostly just overloading the kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    So clearly many people have seen the pvp changes etc about Blm and how Yoshi P has been playing blm in pvp lately and how ever since he didn’t blm is now immediately getting major attention and major buffs…. Can we talk about just how much of a double standard this is? The same man who told healer mains to basically f off and go play ultimate if they want their role to be engaging is….almost certainly the one pushing for these buffs for this job in pvp. What’s wrong Yoshi P? Just go play a different job or go play ultimate if you want blm to feel engaging right? This needs to be called out more. Also before anyone comments, yes i know blm needed buffs, but i don’t think anyone will argue that these buffs are a bit tone deaf to blm’s actual problems in pvp and mostly just overloading the kit.
    BLM definitely needed the buffs, but they aren't the only one, and these buffs are a direct result of Yoshida being shown to have been participating in CC often of late. It's also rather hilariously sad to see how many things got adjusted for BLM in comparison to the other jobs that were packed into this patch.

    Per a comment I left elsewhere:
    Gonna be honest, it's fairly infuriating how just because he plays BLM religiously, it's the only job that retains some measure of complexity and is almost always first in line for buffs in PvE or PvP content.

    Favoritism as a developer is bad, imo, especially when you have an entire section of the playerbase complaining about how dang boring their favorite job role is - only to get told "lol just go play Ultimate".
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    It really is quite embarrassing how obvious it is that BLM is the only job he cares about and how that's reflected through its gameplay in everything. I don't believe BLM needed to "stay bad" in PvP as penance for being well designed in PvE, but can some of our jobs even just get 25% of the love and care afforded to BLM in both PvE and PvP?
    The disconnect between the way he talks about BLM and then the flippant dismissal he has towards basically every other job is infuriating. Legitimate healer concerns over the state of their gameplay for years just gets dismissed with "Go play Ultimate lmao" but then he explains in depth his feelings on why Enochian is being removed and how difficult it was to come to that decision going into Endwalker. Can people honestly say they really think Yoshida cares about any other job the way he cares about BLM?
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    nvm. misread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
    Gonna be honest, it's fairly infuriating how just because he plays BLM religiously, it's the only job that retains some measure of complexity and is almost always first in line for buffs in PvE or PvP content.

    Favoritism as a developer is bad, imo, especially when you have an entire section of the playerbase complaining about how dang boring their favorite job role is - only to get told "lol just go play Ultimate".
    There was an old WoW meme back in the day about the lead designer at that time Tom Chilton whose character was named Kalgan. That lead designer happened to play a Mage.

    The meme was: Kalgan plays a Mage.

    Guess what job was very rarely undertuned, was almost always viable, and almost always "fun"? Why? Because Kalgan plays a Mage, and the lead developer wants to have fun, that's why.

    It's the exact same here.

    "Yoshi-P plays a Black Mage" so they'll almost always be tuned well.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 05-25-2022 at 01:43 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    I get the frustration, trust me. I am not a fan of BLM and hate the fact that everything else seems to be getting simplified over and over.

    However, I don't think that this is something that is being done maliciously. I don't think Yoshida is telling them "Hey, simplify everything else so that BLM is the best!" I think it's more akin to the fact that a mechanic who drives a Honda Civic is better at finding and fixing issues if a Honda Civic comes into the shop. They just have a much higher amount of experience with it, so they know how it's supposed to work.

    Now, if you're going to make the point that he SHOULD be playing every job equally, it's certainly possible that's where the simplification is coming from, so that might not be a good argument. He's incredibly experienced with BLM so he enjoys things that test that experience. If he were switching to play a job that he doesn't play as much, he may be more likely to ask for it to be simplified because it's "complex" to him.

    I also don't think that the buffs were at all due to a large push from Yoshida; BLM definitely didn't feel good.
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    I like ducks.

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    I don't agree that he is exhibiting a sort of "I got mine, go pound chocobo sand" / or evil sort of bias. I believe the situation is each job has a sort of caretaker, with many having some overlap due to helping each other or someone responsible for multiple. I think it might be feasible to say he likes BLM so he has direct impact on what he likes, and it does seem like he's more of a technical gamer, which is good for those who feel similarly, but there are of course those who are not like that.

    Like as an aside there have been a few times in FFXIV patch history where SMN, who has a raise and mobility, did more damage than many BLM with less technical stress.
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    This thread is just based on confirmation bias.

    People see what they want to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    I don't agree that he is exhibiting a sort of "I got mine, go pound chocobo sand" / or evil sort of bias. I believe the situation is each job has a sort of caretaker, with many having some overlap due to helping each other or someone responsible for multiple. I think it might be feasible to say he likes BLM so he has direct impact on what he likes, and it does seem like he's more of a technical gamer, which is good for those who feel similarly, but there are of course those who are not like that.

    Like as an aside there have been a few times in FFXIV patch history where SMN, who has a raise and mobility, did more damage than many BLM with less technical stress.
    Smn is also like, the only job that got nerfed 2-3 patches in a row. And 6.0 smn was the biggest nerf of all let’s be real.
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