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    It's ridiculous just how quickly BLM gets "fixed / buffed" just due to the simple fact that the main job designer plays them.

    It's the exact reason people are asking him to play healers just so he can understand their frustration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheremia View Post
    Good sages and SCH do an absurd amount of damage.
    You're not wrong. I could post Screenshots like this all day. Get an opposing team who likes to group together? Your damage is going to be insane. And I'm pretty average at pvp. In the hands of a good player, SCH is extremely strong, but their damage is also dependent on other people playing poorly which in the higher ranks isn't going to happen much.

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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It's ridiculous just how quickly BLM gets "fixed / buffed" just due to the simple fact that the main job designer plays them.

    It's the exact reason people are asking him to play healers just so he can understand their frustration.



    You're not wrong. I could post Screenshots like this all day. Get an opposing team who likes to group together? Your damage is going to be insane. And I'm pretty average at pvp. In the hands of a good player, SCH is extremely strong, but their damage is also dependent on other people playing poorly which in the higher ranks isn't going to happen much.

    Yep if your team can't take care of themselfes, they are going to have a bad time. But neither a whm nor an ast can really help in that scenario. They can blow all their heals on the person and they still die because whats recup/purify/guard. I currently get a PLD a lot that can't take care of themself. My AST tried really hard, they still just melted.

    And sch does at LEAST not need that much people be grouped close for the fact that deployment tactics is 15 yalms. That's quite big.
    Dunno why Seraph is that small tho.

    My point is: Sage and SCH are 100% not healer. 2 Adlos will not save people.
    Sage is a dps and you can't tell me otherwise.
    Sch is a support that works best with rushdowns. Basically same category as BRD in my opinion. They both can put a lot of pressure on people when the team can follow up on it.

    I mean, people say 5 yalms on whms lb AND on Warrior is op, and deploymant tactic is 15, you really don't need the enemies to be that close together.

    It's the same as GNB also not being a tank but a dps.
    Green does not a healer make in PVP.

    THIS is NOT a small aoe and you do NOT need them to be stacked that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheremia View Post
    My point is: Sage and SCH are 100% not healer. 2 Adlos will not save people.
    Yes healers aren't there to heal, they're support in PvP.

    The Adlo is less for healing and more for the 10% damage buff that comes with it.

    People should be healing themselves in PvP via potions.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]