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    Soma_Farkreath's Avatar
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    Soma Farkreath
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 90

    6.11a patch notes

    patch notes for 6.11a are live, bunch of pvp changes that i like

    https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...07ff7412b92b79
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    Oh? You want to be healed? Then beg.

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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Hopefully RPR is next on the table for buffs because BLM is a threat while its LB is active now.

    If BLM gets to have passive mitigation from their LB, I think RPR could also stand to get a little something like temporary CC immunity to give it more presence.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 05-24-2022 at 05:24 PM.

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    Buff the other healers, and nerf white mage a little bit please. It's not fair that white mage and astrologian are king, while us barrier healers are barely hanging on. I don't think Sage is bad per say. Heck, I've got three kills in a row as Sage. It takes a bit of know how to use it, and I like using it, but it could be a smidge more powerful. Scholar is just completely useless. :c
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    Tatsuya Sarugaku
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    Crystal players being lumped in with diamond is interesting, I wonder why?
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    Y'dyalani Rhus
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    Whm needs a nerf for sure. They just seem to keep nerfing rdm tho.
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    Awashio Sazanami
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    Buff the other healers, and nerf white mage a little bit please. It's not fair that white mage and astrologian are king, while us barrier healers are barely hanging on. I don't think Sage is bad per say. Heck, I've got three kills in a row as Sage. It takes a bit of know how to use it, and I like using it, but it could be a smidge more powerful. Scholar is just completely useless. :c
    People have to stop seeing SCH and Sage as healers.
    They're dps.
    Sch is a chipdamage dps (the dots HURT A LOT, you just dont see it immediately). You can adlo people for damage buffs and spread your dots regardless of guards.
    Sage is more of a burster with phlegma.

    Whm and Sage are more healer, but they are also more support than straight up healers, too.

    WHM has 3 chonky heals with 2 cures and one cure 3. LB gives a HoT, so its usually just gonna overheal and or not tick enough to save people (in a very close fight it might not help a lot). That is why whm usually has high healing power. Doesn't mean they actually HEALED a lot, they just have big range on their lb so everybody gets a HoT, aka overhealing.
    Asts is a little more focused with 2 regens (normal benefic) and 2 shields (doublecast benefic) and Macrocosmos is a nice chunky heal if people can take care of themself a bit.

    But people really hope to much that healers can always save them so they run around with a lot of mp next to me while i'm just waiting for any of my heals to be off cooldown.

    Take care of yourself and i can take care of you.
    No healer can keep you up if you can't weave in and out of danger and just GO.

    SCH and sage would probably have more playrates (even if i see both a lot) if people would stop seeing them as healers and more as slight support but also just dps. GNB is also literally just a dps at this point.

    It IS perfectly doable to win with no healer (no green) against teams that have healers (aka ast or whm) if the people don't just rush in and take a little care of themself. Because ONLY if you can take care of yourself, a healer can also help you better.

    Sage and SCH just aren't healers and CAN put out an absurd amount of damage, the expectations that they ARE healers has to go away tho.

    I play Ast and if i see a sage and SCH in my team, i don't expect them to heal a lot, because they can't. What i do expect them to do is play smart and do dps, because i see them as dps with some healing capability and don't rely on them to do some clutch healings (they can, but i can do it easier).
    Green doesn't make a healer in PVP
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    Wise Fuchsia
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Mostly good updates.

    Diamond 5s have been incredibly unpredictable and making Crystal match quality go down whenever there's some in the teams, so good riddance.

    Most Job buffs are good, BLM probably got way overtuned and could have done with cast time reduction + Fire DoT buff instead but we will see. DNC and GNB could have gotten bit more buffs and BRD LB still needs changes. SCH and RPR probably need some tweaks.

    Overall it's a good sign that they are keeping up with winrates and common complaints, we will probably have pretty good PvP base by 6.2 if they tweak it at every minor patch or even have extra patches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheremia View Post
    People have to stop seeing SCH and Sage as healers.
    They're dps.
    Sch is a chipdamage dps (the dots HURT A LOT, you just dont see it immediately). You can adlo people for damage buffs and spread your dots regardless of guards.
    Sage is more of a burster with phlegma.

    Whm and Sage are more healer, but they are also more support than straight up healers, too.

    WHM has 3 chonky heals with 2 cures and one cure 3. LB gives a HoT, so its usually just gonna overheal and or not tick enough to save people (in a very close fight it might not help a lot). That is why whm usually has high healing power. Doesn't mean they actually HEALED a lot, they just have big range on their lb so everybody gets a HoT, aka overhealing.
    Asts is a little more focused with 2 regens (normal benefic) and 2 shields (doublecast benefic) and Macrocosmos is a nice chunky heal if people can take care of themself a bit.

    But people really hope to much that healers can always save them so they run around with a lot of mp next to me while i'm just waiting for any of my heals to be off cooldown.

    Take care of yourself and i can take care of you.
    No healer can keep you up if you can't weave in and out of danger and just GO.

    SCH and sage would probably have more playrates (even if i see both a lot) if people would stop seeing them as healers and more as slight support but also just dps. GNB is also literally just a dps at this point.

    It IS perfectly doable to win with no healer (no green) against teams that have healers (aka ast or whm) if the people don't just rush in and take a little care of themself. Because ONLY if you can take care of yourself, a healer can also help you better.

    Sage and SCH just aren't healers and CAN put out an absurd amount of damage, the expectations that they ARE healers has to go away tho.

    I play Ast and if i see a sage and SCH in my team, i don't expect them to heal a lot, because they can't. What i do expect them to do is play smart and do dps, because i see them as dps with some healing capability and don't rely on them to do some clutch healings (they can, but i can do it easier).
    Green doesn't make a healer in PVP
    We are not dps. I might heal by using DPS for some of my healing, but it is not easy to do a lot of damage. Killing still takes much longer than a dps.
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    Ivan Moondiver
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    Rejoice ice mage only PvE, your time for the ice age has come in PvP
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    Avalen Koma
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianFatale View Post
    We are not dps. I might heal by using DPS for some of my healing, but it is not easy to do a lot of damage. Killing still takes much longer than a dps.
    I can't speak for SGE but as a SCH player, its definitely doing some work with the Biolysis + Bane and the range is hilarious. Playing SCH as a pure healer is where players are going wrong. If they tune SCH for better, it would likely be where WHM is now, not that im against that if all the healers are equally on par.
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