About Reaper.

[Kazimere]

I agree with that. But I must say something...

What classes you found easy can be really hard for others and the opposite is true as well. That's what you call a play style. If the reaper doesn't match your play style, you'll find it harder to master, and you'll most likely won't take any pleasure playing it.

Everyone can "play" a class correctly, in the big lines. But only a few can truly master it, otherwise you won't see any difference on fflog between two different person, which don't make any senses at all.

For exemple. I play Reaper, and by my personnal opinion, I find the class extremely great to play. On the other hand, I don't even want to play Samourai, just because the play style doesn't fit me. I'm pretty sure i'm unable to unleash the full potential of the samourai, because I don't like how it's played and I take no pleasure about playing it. Common point, they are melee, but that's it.

For sure. It is all relative.

[Rayne6665]

The Bad

-Bad DPS

For you maybe but i enjoy the hell out of Reaper since day 1

[Darksummoner]

They've stated before that they won't make Necromancer or Thief a playable thing because they border on the bad/evil side.

If this is true then it would be one of the biggest lies SE ever told. They don't want to border on the bad/evil side. yet most of the bosses on their raids are names of Demons from the Goetia (72 Demons)


This is just a excuse like everything else they make up when they don't want to do it.

[AmpelioB]

only thing i ´personally don't like about reaper is weaponskills breaking ability combos

[Avoidy]

I think reaper nails a lot of kinesthetics. The job "feels" good in a lot of areas. When the shield pops, it's satisfying. The sound of those positionals slicing around is great. The enshroud phase feels fast yet weighty. Communio has impact. The gap closer being a warp hole feels incredible when you get the timing right and clutch out of the bad and then right back in again. They nailed the "feel" imo. i wish more jobs felt this way.

The only thing I've found irksome is Shadow of Death feels like it breaks my flow a little bit. I'll be in the zone having a good time and then I'll have to stop to reapply my buff. It's honestly a nothingburger imo; the job feels so good to me that I had to rack my brain a bit for a downside. Even the damage doesn't bug me all that much since it's got nice utility, its positionals are basically a joke, keeping uptime on it feels really easy, and I'm genuinely having so much fun with it that I just don't care if a DRG pulls ahead of me sometimes. If there's balancing to be done here, by all means, apply it; I'm not saying "don't balance RPR if it's having problems just because I'm having fun." I hate those kinds of people. But just within the context of this post about our thoughts on the job and nothing more, I've never felt like damage was a prominent issue.

[Euphares]

I think reaper nails a lot of kinesthetics. The job "feels" good in a lot of areas. When the shield pops, it's satisfying. The sound of those positionals slicing around is great. The enshroud phase feels fast yet weighty. Communio has impact. The gap closer being a warp hole feels incredible when you get the timing right and clutch out of the bad and then right back in again. They nailed the "feel" imo. i wish more jobs felt this way.

The only thing I've found irksome is Shadow of Death feels like it breaks my flow a little bit. I'll be in the zone having a good time and then I'll have to stop to reapply my buff. It's honestly a nothingburger imo; the job feels so good to me that I had to rack my brain a bit for a downside. Even the damage doesn't bug me all that much since it's got nice utility, its positionals are basically a joke, keeping uptime on it feels really easy, and I'm genuinely having so much fun with it that I just don't care if a DRG pulls ahead of me sometimes. If there's balancing to be done here, by all means, apply it; I'm not saying "don't balance RPR if it's having problems just because I'm having fun." I hate those kinds of people. But just within the context of this post about our thoughts on the job and nothing more, I've never felt like damage was a prominent issue.

I think you're correct and I agree with you.

My "bad" points were mostly nitpicks, I don't think they areas that significantly affect the job but are just things I'd change to make it even better. I still love RPR to death and consider it the most well designed job.




As for DPS, its mostly just the principle of it, RPR's dmg is more than enough to do ANY content in the game with.


But if you analyze it as such, my ideal DPS spectrum would be:




DRG > NIN/MNK > MNK/NIN > RPR > SAM



Reasoning -

DRG has the most buffs out of any melee, so its personal damage should be the lowest.

MNK/NIN should be in the middle since they also have an impactful buff, but one that's more sparse.

RPR should be a step under SAM since it's buff is rather weak and it is heavily leaning towards being a Pure DPS.

SAM should be the highest DPS because it has zero buffs and is the most pure DPS a melee can get.

[Shougun]

If this is true then it would be one of the biggest lies SE ever told. They don't want to border on the bad/evil side. yet most of the bosses on their raids are names of Demons from the Goetia (72 Demons)


This is just a excuse like everything else they make up when they don't want to do it.

I've challenged everyone who has said this, and spent a few /hours/ researching ancient posts on this- it's never been proven true. Just something people like to repeat to kill the idea of a job they're not interested in. Similar things were said about Reaper to be honest.

There are other reasons why you'd be unlikely to see a job labeled necromancer functioning in the zombie and bone ways of a necromancer, besides lore- but the good news is if you can convince SE in the novelty and 'fit' of a job then it's not going to ultimately matter if some people like to speak on behalf of SE (without the ability to reference no less...).

I've seen it happen a few times, particularly personally to me, where some people have determined SE's ability given some lore, or un-referenceable post, and SE then goes about and does the thing they said couldn't be done. This most unfortunate situation of these type of things then therefore is it usually just side tracks and damages the quality of the conversation. Rather than "I'd not like to see this because of x y z" it's "Can't be done for -invalid / not actually real statement- reason". Misleading people into thinking a reality that doesn't even exist, while also failing to elucidate SE on the reason they may or may not be interested in it (like some people may actually have wanted it but have been lead to believe an idea is set in stone to which it was not).

Honestly though.... I feel the more people say something can't happen the more likely it will lol. I actually said this about 6-12 months before Reaper's announcement to people saying such a dark job was impossible (conversation was on necromancer, and voidsent like jobs, and people using impossible due to lore), saying that everyone saying it can't happen is making it more and more likely.... and then when the T-shirt was revealed and similar people were saying a job related or even titled Reaper was impossible and with many insinuating believing it was possible were akin to dodos.

As I said above though I doubt a Necromancer in the most classic sense would fit, but I believe things akin to it would without much issue--- I mean as I said a while ago something along the lines of using the wraith model as a stand in for the skeletons and type issues would fit -- yet now that given Reaper exists, and is the third Dark Job I imagine we wont be seeing another 'dark' theme'd job in the next expansion. By that I mean the blacks and purples at least. A healer that's dark theme'd might be cool but we just received a healer so I doubt, for similar reasons why you'd get a dark job, that we're going to see that for some time too. Could get a dark job in theme of story, writing, implications, etc, but color wise I doubt it'll be the classic elemental 'dark' scheme FF has. For a little while at least (my imo, just a bit muggy in the 'dark' theme'd job room at the moment lol- time to visit another office space ).



Anyway tl;dr- doesn't really matter if people say it can or can't happen, that sort of logic has been proven wrong repeatedly, tell SE why you think it would fit and be cool (why you want it), or alternatively why you don't (rather than dictating what SE can and can't do on behalf of SE).

Such stuff is akin to people acting as SE's budget accountant, unless they can provide actual reference to a denial (that says what is claimed*). *For example some people claim Island Sanctuary will have instanced housing because a couple that interviewed Yoshida made a tweet about it being said but at no point in the actual interview was such a comment made (at least to which was published interview), it's easy to see the original wording corrupted as it is passed through different interpretations and grape vines. Even then, even if it was denied, there is still the potential with time or demand (or both) such things change (which has happened a few times as well, though less often lol).

[Darksummoner]

For SE to say or even think that a society shouldn't, or doesn't, have a hint of evil in it is just stupid. That is living in a fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows. But we are playing a fantasy video game called Final Fantasy XIV. FFXIV is good but let's not say their isn't room for improvement...especially in the room of Quality of life options, class balances, and the next new classes (Which we all know is coming in the future).

The notion that their isn't a hint of evil in anyone's heart in Limsa or in the Eorzea is weird and odd.

[IkaraGreydancer]

People disagree & others love it, but people do want improvements, as seen above, therefore, we have this conversation, and yes, this class does have issues. However, just because you find it more than fine does not mean others do, so who are you to tell others it's more than satisfactory?

There is no evidence that we will end up in a situation where the class will get gutted, and the example you used was when developers unreasonably gutted a class based on their perceptions.

I never said it was a 1 to 1 situation, but that is how you presented it, so don't blame others for your presentation. If you want people to have the full context of your thought process, how about you explain it to them correctly were not seers.

If you disagree with the points above, give reasons why their issues are not valid rather than just saying it's OK because you are scared, then that's your issue, and your sense of fear should not sway the people.

You know something I've noticed with you in these forums. You assume and inject alot when you opt to "dress down" people and I don't get why.

Oh and I can tell others the class is fine all I want. Its MY opinion. Tf do you mean who am I to say as such, by your logic no one has the right to disagree with others which ironically is what you're doing here with me.

I understand you like to play the intellectual here but make sure you're making sense when you put that hat on

[Vryn]

You know something I've noticed with you in these forums. You assume and inject a lot when you opt to "dress down" people, and I don't get why.

Oh, and I can tell others the class is fine all I want. It's MY opinion. Tf do you mean who am I to say as such? By your logic, no one has the right to disagree with others which ironically is what you're doing here with me.

I understand you like to play the intellectual here but make sure you're making sense when you put that hat on

You didn't disagree with them on a point, though, or contribute anything to the conversation. I also don't "dress people down". You feel that way when I'm being blunt and upfront with you. Yes, who are you to say something is acceptable when other people don't think that way. You might as well tell them to shut up because you feel it's okay.

You are here out of the supposed fear that the job will be gutted because of what happened to Samurai, even though it has nothing to do with what's going on here.

Yes, I'm playing "intellectual" on an internet forum (projection) whos assuming and injecting now. But don't be a hypocrite. You live in a glasshouse, and it doesn't take someone pretending to be an "intellectual" to point out the flaws with your statement you are not that smart.

Suppose you want people to take you seriously. In that case, you might want to act like others who disagree and bring something to the conversation, such as Avoidy, Shougun, Krotoan, Corvus_V and Alaray, and many others who genuinely say something of recognition and merit.

Disagreeing on the points and having a conversation is what we are here to do. But, unfortunately, doom-mongering isn't one of those.

Also, I'm a Viera. I can't wear hats, but that is just me being cheeky now.

My thoughts are to leave Reaper as is. The class is more than good rn. Yall need to chill with the complaints about classes that ain't broke or well have a Sam 2.0 situation

A statement that genuinely adds to the discussion. If you label a debate on the forums as complaints and use irrelevant events as fear-mongering rather than a talk or feedback, don't be surprised when people on the thread call you out. If you think it's okay, state why.

You try and use semantic arguments to save face, and you accuse others of trying to play intellectual? You then go on to use false comparisons to back up your point. Saying something is more than fine doesn't mean anything. Why is it more than fine? You make points and then don't back them up, so don't be mad when people say they have no value or substance.