Dynamis - Limit Breaks

[Cleretic]

If you want to argue 'the Encyclopedia Eorzea might be wrong', that's certainly an angle, but we need to admit alternative sources of information in. Not just because we get nothing by just looking at a source and saying 'nuh-uh' with no regard, but also because this isn't a one-source thing; that one source happens to have the most exhaustive explanation, but it's not the only thing saying that LBs are not necessarily using dynamis. And here, the other subjects to consider are that the Ktisis Hyperborea Trust NPCs, and the boss of the Seat of Sacrifice, can all use LBs despite being baseline biologically incapable of manipulating dynamis.

We can't try to bring 'Ktisis' dampener means they can manipulate dynamis' in, either; not only does that have absolutely no evidence to it, but the lines they say alongside these LBs don't imply any surprise in or newness to this situation (well, Hyth is surprised you let him do it, but that's different). In fact, as Lyth pointed out, Emet very directly cites aether as his power source. The Trust Insighters people have actually transcribed every single quote for Venat and Hythlodaeus in all languages (not Emet, for some reason), so you can see for yourself:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=856154097

No matter what, we're in a state where neither the amount of dynamis and non-dynamis LBs are at 0% or 100%; some LBs cannot possibly be dynamis, while at least one LB, the one against the Endsinger, definitely is (however, again, everything in the Endsinger fight is by nature at least partially dynamis-powered). Where the majority lands depends entirely on whether you think the Encyclopedia Eorzea is mostly accurate. And personally, I think it is, for one simple reason: the most confirmably non-dynamis LBs outside of the Encyclopedia descriptions come from Endwalker. It wouldn't make sense for them to do a blanket, wide-ranging retcon in the exact same content load that they introduced clear exceptions to this supposed 'new fact'.

[RyuDragnier]

If you want to argue 'the Encyclopedia Eorzea might be wrong', that's certainly an angle, but we need to admit alternative sources of information in.

I hate to bring up old threads better left dead (due to the arguments, this one in context being about Venat), but you said in this quote long ago:

Again: the use of passages from the Encyclopedia Eorzea confirms in-universe sources. Specifically in-universe, present-day, Eorzean sources (although some of these may be Sharlayan at this stage).

By that very standard, doesn't that make the EE fallible simply BECAUSE Dynamis isn't well known yet?

[Cleretic]

I hate to bring up old threads better left dead (due to the arguments, this one in context being about Venat), but you said in this quote long ago:



By that very standard, doesn't that make the EE fallible simply BECAUSE Dynamis isn't well known yet?

Yes, I wasn't saying that the Encyclopedia Eorzea was infallible.

What I was saying is that we have no actual evidence that says we should throw away this information and just go 'BUT DYNAMIS', especially because Endwalker itself provided explicitly clear examples of non-dynamis LBs that actually support those descriptions. There's no counterevidence that suggests that these LB descriptions aren't accurate, so we have no reason to believe they aren't.


Again: There's descriptions of abilities in the Encyclopedia that genuinely do sound like they might be dynamis-related, and are worthy of discussion on that front; I'd point out Manawall and Unleash. We should talk about them, instead of just going 'the NIN LB3 is dynamis because I think that's cool and don't care that it's got a direct explanation'.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

I wonder just how much it'll end up featuring in the future MSQ aside from Ultimate bosses. Will the Warrior of Light ever reclaim the power of the Super Saiyan God they tapped into during the Zenos fight? Find out next time on the next thrilling episode of Final Fantasy XIV!

Another matter, I saw some people mentioning the Encylopaedias Eorzea and perhaps the upcoming third Volume might clear up this debate once and for all?

[Alleluia]

I wonder just how much it'll end up featuring in the future MSQ aside from Ultimate bosses. Will the Warrior of Light ever reclaim the power of the Super Saiyan God they tapped into during the Zenos fight? Find out next time on the next thrilling episode of Final Fantasy XIV!

Another matter, I saw some people mentioning the Encylopaedias Eorzea and perhaps the upcoming third Volume might clear up this debate once and for all?

I am now imagining Endsinger Ultimate. I've never done an ultimate, but I'd actually watch that. It'd be epic. Bet there'd even be a Zenos fight thrown in at some point. Special ATE of punching Zenos in the face, probably. lol

[Cleretic]

I am now imagining Endsinger Ultimate. I've never done an ultimate, but I'd actually watch that. It'd be epic. Bet there'd even be a Zenos fight thrown in at some point. Special ATE of punching Zenos in the face, probably. lol

Endsinger itself would not be enough for an Ultimate, they're basically multiple fights mashed together. I think it's usually like, five.

I could debatably see a 'Final Days' Ultimate focused around a retelling of Amaurot's end in the Minstrel's elaborate, fanfic-y way. Although if I were writing it I'd probably base it more around the Ancients; so no jacked-up Zenos, but yes to a jacked-up Hermes.

[SannaR]

Endsinger itself would not be enough for an Ultimate, they're basically multiple fights mashed together. I think it's usually like, five.

I could debatably see a 'Final Days' Ultimate focused around a retelling of Amaurot's end in the Minstrel's elaborate, fanfic-y way. Although if I were writing it I'd probably base it more around the Ancients; so no jacked-up Zenos, but yes to a jacked-up Hermes.

Normally it's a series of fights. Yet I'm not sure how many would call TOP multiple fights. It's more of a continuation of a fight where the only break happens right when Alpha shows up. Even then you don't have much time to try and prepare for the last part. As it's get the heck out of where the death wall was and instantly get ready for Omega to go back on the attack. What I mean with being able to prepare is that most Ultimates during a phase transition give you some time to try and refocus and relax before the next thing your fighting starts auto attacking or throws out its first mechanic. Yes, I know TOP so far is the only one to go against the norm and that it would probably be a bit tougher to do something similar to TOP with Endsinger. Just that they have now made it possible to try and do so.

[Cleretic]

Normally it's a series of fights. Yet I'm not sure how many would call TOP multiple fights. It's more of a continuation of a fight where the only break happens right when Alpha shows up. Even then you don't have much time to try and prepare for the last part. As it's get the heck out of where the death wall was and instantly get ready for Omega to go back on the attack. What I mean with being able to prepare is that most Ultimates during a phase transition give you some time to try and refocus and relax before the next thing your fighting starts auto attacking or throws out its first mechanic. Yes, I know TOP so far is the only one to go against the norm and that it would probably be a bit tougher to do something similar to TOP with Endsinger. Just that they have now made it possible to try and do so.

I mean even TOP is basically, from a design perspective, 'a bunch of different boss fights stitched together'. It's just that unlike the other Ultimates, the fights that comprise TOP were all against the same guy so they can put them together more seamlessly.

It's not that they won't do Endsinger Ultimate because Endsinger is just one figure. It's that they won't do Endsinger Ultimate because that's only one boss fight. It just doesn't give them enough to work with and build from (and from a development economy perspective, barely any assets to recycle for the fight).

[RyuDragnier]

It's not that they won't do Endsinger Ultimate because Endsinger is just one figure. It's that they won't do Endsinger Ultimate because that's only one boss fight. It just doesn't give them enough to work with and build from (and from a development economy perspective, barely any assets to recycle for the fight).

They could potentially combine Endsinger with the various Abominations/Terminus we've fought in MSQ. Or perhaps with Hermes himself, who shows up to prevent us from destroying Endsinger, and after his phase he merges with Endsinger for the final form. Assuming of course the finale in Pandaemonium doesn't also link back to the Final Days (I have a feeling it will).