By the way, FFXIV IS a good game...

[Vav2021]

I'm slow to understand things sometimes, so I have a question for the first person that can answer it for me -- If final fantasy is "bad", then why are the folks that are unhappy about it still playing?

[Miracle_Diva]

Well you're not entirely wrong. I like to talk to myself in an echo chamber sometimes just to assure myself that something isn't amiss with things. FFXIV is a game with good parts and bad parts to it, and it's an okay RPG for the most part. I guess you could say after seeing where they took the class design I sort of wish they went a slightly different direction.

Yoshi P. seems like he wanted to recreate the same kind of really focused trinity based class specializations in FFXIV, so he ended up remaking the same exact thing that was already done before but without having ways to flex outside of the roles the classes are focused into. So we ended up with healers that have two button rotations because they were built to specifically be a firehose healer with either a shield flavor or a pure healer flavor, and the other jobs are pretty similar in their own ways.

I was trying to squeeze a comprehensive thought out of myself on this topic for 10m, but everything just comes down to - SE got lazy. And all the complaining threads are there because people still do care about the game, but feel unnoticed.

[Tlachtga]

game is stagnating tbh. Endwalker feels like Shadowbringers 5.6.

tbh idk how long i can play a game where the devs treat me like i'm special needs and can't possibly handle more than one nuke and one DoT on my healer job.

defo need some competition again. no innovation otherwise.

[Klytania]

Savage matters if you don't want to spend 4 years gearing all your classes

[Atelier-Bagur]

"FFXIV was never a good game. People are absolutely delusional at the amount of problems this game has. Why are we even playing it? Everything about it is so crap. Is it because where just flies on a whim going after terrible products? Are we just a bunch of masochists? Or could it be delusional nitpicking trying to disguise it as caring about this game?"















Anyway....FFXIV be bad, WoW/LostArk/ESO/GW2 good

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm just sitting here reading these two posts and I'm like....

You guys cant read somebody who's obviously being a total shill for giggles right?

[Striker44]

For some reason, I feel like someone needs to say this amongst the deluge of random threads complaining about literally every slight the game has because they hit end game and have nothing left but the grindy parts.

The truth is that housing doesn't matter and savage doesn't matter. Heck, crafting technically doesn't matter (unless you actually keep up with the grinding and make your own leveling gear). Someone can just play the entire game through and then put it down after the latest normal content is done.

Like out of all the threads posted about issues, the only one that really feels like it could be a valid point is the one with the healers because you feel the healer issues going through the entire game and not just end game.

Honestly, just go to YT instead of the toxic cesspool that is the forums. Instead of the same dozen or so people here who will complain about anything, you'll find hundreds of people absolutely loving the game, the story, the music, et al.. FFXIV is an awesome game, and the overwhelming majority of its players know that. They just don't post here on these forums.

[Skiros]

Honestly, just go to YT instead of the toxic cesspool that is the forums. Instead of the same dozen or so people here who will complain about anything, you'll find hundreds of people absolutely loving the game, the story, the music, et al.. FFXIV is an awesome game, and the overwhelming majority of its players know that. They just don't post here on these forums.

If I had a cent every time someone conflates criticism with toxicity

[BrokentoothMarch]

If I had a cent every time someone conflates criticism with toxicity

You'd have about ten dollars, which isn't a lot of money, but is still a concerning amount given you're only getting a cent per take.

[Miracle_Diva]

Honestly, just go to YT instead of the toxic cesspool that is the forums. Instead of the same dozen or so people here who will complain about anything, you'll find hundreds of people absolutely loving the game, the story, the music, et al.. FFXIV is an awesome game, and the overwhelming majority of its players know that. They just don't post here on these forums.

Not to disregard your opinion, but what you're saying is - just close your eyes on the problems people have with the game because it's toxic to be unhappy with something in FFXIV, just watch only happy opinions.