White Mage Pig ability too OP

[drtasteyummy]

Oh, and about that white mage/ what if I silence them , or LOS them? Or focus them. or stun them. No pig, no problem.

What is always with this dumbass just run away 4Head statements? First of all, a lot of fight area is flat open, you are slowed, you cannot guard or activate def cd, can't heal. Neither can you coordinate a silence into burst with randoms - which believe it or not could also be cleansed by the WHM - and you can't focus them either because they literally
have self heal plus extra heal plus guard.

[Gserpent]

1. Not a Boy.

2. Your entire defense is how "you're not wrong" and that everyone else is wrong but you.

You're not Captain America planting yourself beside the River of Truth.

You're in the Nile of Denial.

Fine, dudette. Whatever. Whatever bits you have is irrelevant to this discussion.

I've literally broken down where you're wrong and explained *why* you're wrong, multiple times now. I'd advise going back and re-reading what I've written to you after you've cooled off a bit. You're the one that's stamping their feet and pitching a hissy fit over being told something you don't like hearing. I know projection is a common fault that people fall victim to, but you should be aware that you're doing it.

[Gserpent]

What is always with this dumbass just run away 4Head statements? First of all, a lot of fight area is flat open, you are slowed, you cannot guard or activate def cd, can't heal. Neither can you coordinate a silence into burst with randoms - which believe it or not could also be cleansed by the WHM - and you can't focus them either because they literally
have self heal plus extra heal plus guard.

Kinda. The most effective way of mitigating sheep is to force it out in a scenario where it won't kill you. Force the WHM to use it to peel, etc. Sheep is very deadly when it's like you say - you get sheeped and then heavied/bound in the open so you can't LOS, etc. The best way to avoid that happening is to not put yourself in a position where it *can* happen. If the enemy team has a WHM and they haven't used sheep yet, you have to be careful when it comes to initiating. Sometimes you can just accept that one of your guys is going to get gibbed, though - if they blow everything to kill one person, it's still entirely possible to win the 4v5 anyway. But that's going to be something you're unlikely to see in disorganized solo queue games.

[JanVanding]

Kinda. The most effective way of mitigating sheep is to force it out in a scenario where it won't kill you. Force the WHM to use it to peel, etc. Sheep is very deadly when it's like you say - you get sheeped and then heavied/bound in the open so you can't LOS, etc. The best way to avoid that happening is to not put yourself in a position where it *can* happen. If the enemy team has a WHM and they haven't used sheep yet, you have to be careful when it comes to initiating. Sometimes you can just accept that one of your guys is going to get gibbed, though - if they blow everything to kill one person, it's still entirely possible to win the 4v5 anyway. But that's going to be something you're unlikely to see in disorganized solo queue games.

So basically

"You need to force it out of them"

Is your answer?

When an ability has to be forced out early because of the impact that it has on the match, what does that make that ability?

Same reason they cut a second off SAM stun and RDM silence (of which both are Purifiable)

They are extremely high impact for what they do.

An instant one frame CC that locks you out of everything for its duration, is high impact and saying "Force it out early"

Is admitting that because it has such a high impact on the match, you need to get rid of it quickly, why?

Because it's Overpowered.

It really is that simple and balancing it is as simple as adding a single extra frame so you actually can counter it as is intended.

[Latarma]

What is always with this dumbass just run away 4Head statements? First of all, a lot of fight area is flat open, you are slowed, you cannot guard or activate def cd, can't heal. Neither can you coordinate a silence into burst with randoms - which believe it or not could also be cleansed by the WHM - and you can't focus them either because they literally
have self heal plus extra heal plus guard.

i do see your point and i was replaying to someone else i just forgot to quote them but yes all in all it's a learning curve on what each class can adn can't do

[Latarma]

Here's just a few thoughts, I have yet to see anyone saying balance is perfect- and I have yet to see any perfectly balanced PVP game: While we're at it, let's see, why don't we also nerf warrior's LB because of how it affect my guard- but wait - there are ways to handle that if we're smart.

oh, but samurais are ridiculous if I hit them with chiten up that's just crazy too - but , on the other hand, I don't HAVE to hit them then OR of course i could CC them .. so maybe it ISN't so OP.

Oh, and about that white mage/ what if I silence them , or LOS them? Or focus them. or stun them. No pig, no problem.

So maybe stop jumping to the nerf bat all of the time, where do you stop?

you make vailed points yes but as dragoon i have no cc abilities or silence skill, sould the game give me to be fair so i can do that to mages or no?

[JanVanding]

To add as to why I don't understand why he continues to push back against a Frame being added.

1 Frame = 1/60th of a second, 16.67 milliseconds.

That will change absolutely nothing at the lower tiers of PvP, in the higher tiers it will mean guard can actually be used as a predictive counter as its intended to be as opposed to as it is now where Miracle always has priority due to only being a single frame.

[Gserpent]

So basically

"You need to force it out of them"

Is your answer?

When an ability has to be forced out early because of the impact that it has on the match, what does that make that ability?

The same as pretty much all major abilities. WAR hasn't used Rend? Okay, don't clump up and keep an eye on their positioning. WAR hasn't used Blota? Be aware of their positioning and don't put yourself in a position where you could be yanked into a dogpile. NIN hasn't used both mudras? Be aware they can stun you, don't put yourself in a position where an "unexpected" stun could kill you. AST hasn't used Gravity yet? Be aware you could be rooted and take 16k damage. And on, and on, and on.

This concept isn't even exclusive to XIV. Memorizing what other players can do, and then operating based off that knowledge, is fundamental basic gameplay for a wide variety of competitive games, from XIV to Starcraft to Quake to chess and Magic and poker and so many others.

I really don't understand why you have a problem with it. Is it really just as simple as "this killed me so it's bullshit?" Because your arguments don't have any rational basis to them. Fine, add an extra frame to poly's animation. It won't change anything significant because server tickrate means reactive play is largely impossible in the first place, and you'd still be right back here whining about it because it killed you anyway.

[IDontPetLalas]

you make vailed points yes but as dragoon i have no cc abilities or silence skill, sould the game give me to be fair so i can do that to mages or no?

i don't know, would you like to give up some of your instant skills, or leech skills, or damage increase debuff on your target to get that? Sounds fair to me. Or maybe trade some of your extra debuff removal + buff skills . Must be nice to get a speed boost and the ability to remove bind and heavy, maybe you'd rather get a silence? Whatever you think is fair.

[JanVanding]

I think it's time for you to step away. You are becoming increasingly irrational and hostile for no reason than because you disagree over something inconsequential.

Go recheck your posts, you've been nothing but an insultive little sh** the whole time.

And if it was so inconsequential, you would not be blindly defending it.

And I'm beginning to think the reason you are defending it is because of what kind of player a frame data change would affect the most and then it hit me.

Scripters! It would actually break their precious scripts until their sub human script maker fixes it.

So lemme see

60% winrate

Not in the top 100

Claims to be a God at PvP but doesn't know much, if anything about Frame data and how priorities are changed by frame data alteration

Now what kinda people have that kind of winrate but aren't in the top 100?

People that got suspended for Cheating/Win Trading/Scripting!

Now, I'm not going to surmise that's why you're defending it, but that's the only logical conclusion anyone could draw....

Because it'll break your scripts.