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    Why are there even small plots?

    Why do we even have small plots? Nobody wants a small unless its the only option available. This was true all the way until the housing drought (which was the end of stormblood) There were tons of smalls until then The only reason they got bought is because there was nothing else available.

    Why don't you replace them with mediums and ditch the smalls entirely?
    Why does ANY plot get better in game benefits than the other? (garden plots specifically here).

    Really that's my only gripe. They make no sense
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    Caitlinzulu's Avatar
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    Small houses are a lot cheaper, back when housing was added to the game having enough money for a medium or mansion was very rare. Also at that time pricing was different between servers with some legacy servers having prices up to 10 times what we have now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu View Post
    Small houses are a lot cheaper, back when housing was added to the game having enough money for a medium or mansion was very rare. Also at that time pricing was different between servers with some legacy servers having prices up to 10 times what we have now
    Ok , but that doesn't change anything I said. Gil was easy to come by from launch (gathering alone), not to mention how long after launch housing came out. People had tons of gil by the time housing came out. I know the prices were higher across the servers but, the buy price for a large was never over 150mil on any server legacy or not. Getting that amount of gil wasn't hard for fc's to raise, even making that much solo (albeit super rare) was being done.
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    Last edited by Joint; 05-19-2022 at 01:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joint View Post
    Ok , but that doesn't change anything I said. Gil was easy to come by from launch (gathering alone), not to mention how long after launch housing came out. People had tons of time and gil by the time housing came out. I know the prices were higher across the servers but, the buy price for a large was never over 150mil on any server legacy or not. Getting that amount of gil wasn't hard for fc's to raise.
    Yes it was. Because FCs didn't last long enough to raise that kind of cash. That's why the wards were so empty..

    The total lack of group centric FC content along with super rigid party sizes for all content absolutely destroyed so many free companies.. and very few of those that survived could afford to buy a house..

    Housing was meant to be a community thing to ge talkers working together and building bonds. Like you know an mmo.. but everything in this game discourages community, teamwork and social interaction that and pushes solo play.. right down to the msq blatantly telling you. "You cannot progress because you are in a party". or the inability to even send a simple /tell when you or someone is in a duty. Things like that along with a complete lack of free company content destroyed free companies. All they are now is a glorified chat channel...

    On topic of small houses. They'd honestly be fine if they just got rid of restrictions. Why can't a small house have 2 or 3 garden plots if they want. Or other dumb restrictions like npcs or crafting benches.

    Also if they scrapped the basements and gave them an upstairs in stead that'd probaly make them better. But that'd be hell of a redesign.
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    Last edited by Dzian; 05-19-2022 at 03:04 AM.

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    I like my small house and am happy with it. I don't really need a larger space and the smaller area helps make items more dense without having to close off sections, which defeats the purpose of getting a larger house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joint View Post
    the buy price for a large was never over 150mil on any server legacy or not
    Sorry, but that's incorrect. As you can see from the 2.1 patch notes when housing first released, five legacy servers had large prices between 250 and 312.5 million and a different five servers had their larges priced between 500 and 625 million.

    I probably should add that when 2.0 launched SE also reduced the money of all 1.0 players so whatever they had in 1.0 they only had 10% when 2.0 was released (i.e. 150 million became only 15 million). As was mentioned above by someone else, most FCs simply could not afford mediums or larges back then.

    As time went on the house prices decreased and because uniform across all servers, but the ward "design" has stayed the same, 20 smalls, 7 medium and 3 large per ward.

    Changing the wards to have larger houses now would be absolute carnage. People would be unhappy they they paid more for a large house/had to fight for it and others just get it as a free upgrade? And then the wards would have to be drastically redesigned to ever fit in larger houses which risks upsetting even more players who are happy with how things are now and wouldn't necessarily like changes to how their plot looks (and it would completely wreck interiors which would all need to be redone).

    And the reality it that if all houses were bigger then a lot of players would really struggle to afford bigger houses (with the current pricing). Right now it's only around 4 million Gil for a small plot of land and a permit for the actual house which is money that most players should be able to get without too much effort, without having to level crafters/gatherers etc. But 16-20 for a medium? Obviously still doable, but if all houses were medium or higher it's now a lot harder for the majority of players to get a house. If they were all only large houses and 40 to 50 million in cost... Still doable of course, but I personally believe most players simply would never be able to afford a house.

    Realistically the solution we need, as many have said before, is more wards, but unfortunately that's not something that happens quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    YWhy can't a small house have 2 or 3 garden plots if they want.
    I absolutely agree with this. I think originally it was supposed to be a perk of having a larger house, but since they can't meet the demand for bigger houses... ideally this restriction should be relaxed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joint View Post
    Why do we even have small plots? Nobody wants a small unless its the only option available. This was true all the way until the housing drought (which was the end of stormblood) There were tons of smalls until then The only reason they got bought is because there was nothing else available.

    Why don't you replace them with mediums and ditch the smalls entirely?
    Why does ANY plot get better in game benefits than the other? (garden plots specifically here).

    Really that's my only gripe. They make no sense

    With your logic, why just stop at Mediums? Why not give everyone a large? Why stop at a large, I want a large with a larger garden... no wait, scratch the garden, I want a larger plot... no wait, just give me the Company workshop like the FC have... and the garden and the larger plot... no let's not stop there....

    There are small homes in this game bc in life you can't always have everything you want, you have to work up to it. If you don't want a small, you don't have to buy a small... if you buy a small then you can upgrade to a medium as they open up.

    but, eh, that is just my opinion....
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    I want Doma Castle. Yeap that's what i want.

    And seriously I think smalls are charming. I love mine on the beach in Shiro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    I like my small house and am happy with it. I don't really need a larger space and the smaller area helps make items more dense without having to close off sections, which defeats the purpose of getting a larger house.
    Same I love my small. Have zero desire for a medium/large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolli282 View Post
    Same I love my small. Have zero desire for a medium/large.
    To be fair, a Small for you is like a Medium for me.
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