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  1. #61
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    Dikatis's Avatar
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    Lleu Macnia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    It seems like the Garlean winters are much harsher than Ishgard's, though. Aside from Minfilia needing to put on a coat, Ishgard's cold was never pictured as especially harsh. Meanwhile, the cold of Garlemald is depicted as an ever-present danger; finding persistent sources of heat is a big deal, and even an Ishgardian (albeit a pretty sheltered one) is found shivering at a fire.

    Which one is more hospitable is kinda up to how well Ishgard is handling how the shift in climate affected stuff like food production, but I never saw any actual issues with that, so I think they're fine.
    Well, the Ishgardians in the Brume are shivering in the cold and one line of sidequests has a firewood thief die of freezing because she was too stubborn to use her stolen firewood as fuel when she was planning on selling it to buy a plot of land in the Sea of Clouds.
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  2. #62
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    Midi Ajihri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    It seems like the Garlean winters are much harsher than Ishgard's, though. Aside from Minfilia needing to put on a coat, Ishgard's cold was never pictured as especially harsh. Meanwhile, the cold of Garlemald is depicted as an ever-present danger; finding persistent sources of heat is a big deal, and even an Ishgardian (albeit a pretty sheltered one) is found shivering at a fire.

    Which one is more hospitable is kinda up to how well Ishgard is handling how the shift in climate affected stuff like food production, but I never saw any actual issues with that, so I think they're fine.
    The first dungeon in Heavensward was frozen all the way down into the depths of an Ishgardian fortress and the journal notes left behind talk about the deep freeze that killed everyone there. The climate is now eternally winter in the Central and Western Highlands of Coerthas and the EE talks about how it completely destroyed Ishgard's industries and plants and animals went extinct. Garlemald at least thaws in the summer and is green for a brief moment of time.

    Considering people lived in Siberia pre-petroleum, the Garleans will be OK in the long run, they just happened to have their society collapse in the middle of a bad northern winter. The city of Ishgard was lucky in that their city was still standing when the weather changed for the worst around them. But they still lost their hamlets of Falcon's Nest (recently rebuilt) and Owl's Nest, and most of the farms in the surrounding region to the cold.
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  3. #63
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    Ein Dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    The first dungeon in Heavensward was frozen all the way down into the depths of an Ishgardian fortress and the journal notes left behind talk about the deep freeze that killed everyone there. The climate is now eternally winter in the Central and Western Highlands of Coerthas and the EE talks about how it completely destroyed Ishgard's industries and plants and animals went extinct. Garlemald at least thaws in the summer and is green for a brief moment of time.

    Considering people lived in Siberia pre-petroleum, the Garleans will be OK in the long run, they just happened to have their society collapse in the middle of a bad northern winter. The city of Ishgard was lucky in that their city was still standing when the weather changed for the worst around them. But they still lost their hamlets of Falcon's Nest (recently rebuilt) and Owl's Nest, and most of the farms in the surrounding region to the cold.
    See, I always thought the Dusk Vigil was busted open by a storm or dragon attacks, which made living through that cold unfeasible. It doesn't really matter how manageable that cold is on a regular day when there's a huge gaping hole in your wall.

    But I admit I haven't read a whole lot of the Encyclopedia Eorzea; I've only got a scan of EE1 that's... generally not high-quality enough to actually read for fun, I only crack it open when I know there's something directly useful in there. I've ordered the physical copies, but they've been delayed!
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  4. #64
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    I think I'm mostly concerned about how the changed political climate is going to affect the Garlean populace, because both the remaining legions and the provincial armies could cause issues for the capital going into the future.

    Last we heard the latter had been subdued by Nerva's armies before he marched on the capital, but the onset of the Final Days is liable to have thrown things into turmoil again considering how things played out in Corvos.
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