A Change to Phoenix Downs

[IkaraGreydancer]

Then why not just get rid of raising altogether then? Why should tanks and DPS get a pass and the freedom to fail mechanics if that's just a form of coddling?

The difference is its the HEALERS JOB. Its part of their function. That's the part you're missing it seems. Coddling is when every single class can raise people. It's much less so when only one role can do it (raise shouldn't be on smn personally but not the biggest issue).

[Kewitt]

This would really help when my hubby and I are duoing 80-level EX content and something goes sideways.

[Doozer]

People complain about healers being useless and having nothing to do but then want to take even more use from them. Pick a lane.

[Eorzean_username]

People complain about healers being useless and having nothing to do but then want to take even more use from them. Pick a lane.

I do not think that this is an accurate assessment of the situation.

Many healers are looking for more fun moment-to-moment gameplay that is satisfying in the way that Tanks and DPS combat is.

And many healers do not consider standing around hardcasting Raise for 8 seconds to provide that missing fun.

Therefore, for many healers, "losing" this "usefulness" would likely not be considered a net negative.

Even if you set that aside, you also are not acknowledging that in many cases, the first person to jump on a Raise is, in fact, a Red Mage or Summoner, which are not classified as Healers, because burning their more flexible MP is considered preferable, especially during a lot of prog-type situations.

To be honest, the change would probably do more to make RDM/SMN feel like their "purpose" was taken from them than it would to most Healers.

[Liam_Harper]

People complain about healers being useless and having nothing to do but then want to take even more use from them. Pick a lane.

I'm a healer main and strongly disagree with this. It would enable the devs to give us more fun things, because currently they've outright stated we can't have harder 4 man content because it's stressful on the healers as the group will wipe if they die.
Channeling Raise for 8 sec over and over because the dps fell asleep is not exciting fun gameplay either.

If everyone having a Raise is considered too good, then limit the number of Raises per fight. Let's say everyone can Raise but you only get 4 uses per pull. That makes the game both more challenging AND puts less pressure on the healer at the same time.

[Yeastyloins]

I'm a healer main and strongly disagree with this. It would enable the devs to give us more fun things, because currently they've outright stated we can't have harder 4 man content because it's stressful on casual healers that don't use the full kit, don't mitigate, or fail to properly do mechanics as the group will wipe if they die.
Channeling Raise for 8 sec over and over because the dps fell asleep is not exciting fun gameplay either.

If everyone having a Raise is considered too good, then limit the number of Raises per fight. Let's say everyone can Raise but you only get 4 uses per pull. That makes the game both more challenging AND puts less pressure on the healer at the same time.

Fixed your post.

It's literally more optimal to do expert roulette with 3 DPS and a Tank because the content is already brain dead. It's honestly more fun because you have to crank damage and play creatively because one person making a mistake means the whole group is done. So if you're having to raise the same DPS over and over again, its not a failure of healing design, it a player being a failure. What you're asking for is to reward failure.

Going with your suggestion though, I'd say it would have to 4 per dungeon, as in from start to finish you only have 4 and this number only resets if you have a total party wipe with you only get. So if you have a DPS that dies each trash pull, you're out of raises until you have a full party wipe, and even then I think you should only get 1 raise back from that point on. Or do what WoW does for battle rezs where you have 1 at the start then you don't get to do another one at all until after a certain allotted time.

Also here's a wild thought: Maybe don't waste MP on raising somebody who is dying to each pull in a dungeon? Unless you are contending with a mechanic that requires all 4 or 8 people to be up (which don't exist in normal content), you can afford to not pick up the person failing every mechanic every single time they die. If you and the other 2 (or 6) players are playing competently, then ensuring those individuals and yourself staying alive is 100% more important than the person who is standing infront of the boss getting cleaved to death despite dying to it already.

[Semirhage]

I mean, of all the things that are boring about playing a healer, I don't think being the designated rezbot is an exclusivity I'd miss. Just give phoenix downs a longish cooldown and an irreducible annoying cast time.